Posted on 08/04/2023 1:18:07 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
A former chief of Russian space agency Roscosmos has voiced doubt over the authenticity of the 1969 Apollo 11 Moon landing.
“About 10 years ago, when I worked in the government, I sent an official request to Roscosmos to provide me with documentary evidence of the Americans' stay on the moon,” Dmitry Rogozin said in a statement on Telegram on Sunday.
Rogozin said that he was “embarrassed” about the return of Soviet cosmonauts from space expeditions barely able to stand on their feet and undergoing long recoveries, while US astronauts crawled out of their lunar ships, in his words, “like cucumbers from the garden.”
Rogozin further said that he continued to search for evidence on the US landings on the Moon while working at Roscosmos, but said he could not find anything other than the “angry accusations” of some academics who claimed that he undermined Russia’s “sacred cooperation with NASA.”
Rogozin also said he received a call from a high-ranking official accusing him of "aggravating the international situation" with his doubts about the Apollo 11 landing.
“I did not undermine or aggravate anything, but only by virtue of my nature I tried to get to the bottom of the details and establish, at least for myself, the true state of affairs in the issue of exploration of the Moon by our competitors. It was not clear to me how the United States, at that level of technological development of the ‘60s in the last century, did what they still cannot do now,” Rogozin said…
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Tell me what you would accept as sufficient proof that the lunar missions took place more-or-less as advertised.
No, you cannot see tracks and gear left on the moon. Even if the photo is legit it’s too grainy to know what you’re actually looking at.
Let’s go back to the moon and then I’ll believe it.
Amen!!
I'd bet my lunch money that, for at least some of you deniers, even sending you to the moon wouldn't do it. You'd come up with some nonsense story about how you were drugged and memories were planted in your mind, and so forth and so on.
No, I can do a little "denying" of my own: nothing would ever convince you guys. Nothing.
“It would have been 100 times more difficult and exspensive to fake a landing that is done well enough to pass the smell test that actually landing on the moon”
BS. You have no way to prove that. And if it’s so much cheaper to go to the moon then why don’t we go back??
You asked and I answered. Don’t care if you don’t believe me. So tell me why haven’t we been back? It should be easier and cheaper than ever.
Hypersonic missiles that we have no defense for?
“I grew up around the Johnson Space Center, I’ve known many astronauts and dozens of engineers who worked on Gemini, Apollo and the Space shuttle.”
You would have to explain their exact involvement in those moon landing “projects”. Anyone remotely close to an unbelievably spectacular event like that is likely to overstate their involvement. In reality, someone could work for NASA their entire lives without ever being involved in any meaningful way with the so called moon landing.
Like I told one of your compatriots above, I don't care about your denialism.
So tell me why haven’t we been back?
So it was 300 million dollars per flight in 1970. That's a little above a billion dollars today after inflation.
While all of the technical problems have been solved at least once, that's not the same as having actual working hardware rolling off the production line ready to fly.
Any engineer can explain the difference between "understanding how to build something in principle" and "having a factory set up, running, and actually building that something".
So given that there is a fair amount of work and expense involved in rebuilding that capacity, the reason we haven't been back is that nobody has wanted to write those multi-billion dollar checks.
After all, the money has to be available to pay Democrat constituencies so they pull the "D" lever on election day.
IDK the truth of it all, but how did they survive the cooking hot temps of direct exposure to the sun? Or the freezing cold temps of space? Keep in mind that to transfer energy takes energy. Running AC or heating electrically? Not possible for any length of time, with the battery power in 1969. No solar sails were on the capsule. Where did the juice come from?
If you are going to tell me they kept the ship rotating, that is a joke.
How about all the satellite images showing the flag still where it was planted on the moon back in 1969. The logistics of pulling off a fake moon landing and then keeping it secret is just too much. Too many people were involved.
Amen x 2
“So given that there is a fair amount of work and expense involved in rebuilding that capacity, the reason we haven’t been back is that nobody has wanted to write those multi-billion dollar checks.”
Riiiiggghhhtt. Politicians not wanting to write multi billion dollar checks? Since when?? Billions more could be profited just by returning there even just one more time. What politician wouldn’t want to have their name attached to such a magnificent, inspiring project like that? And this time the astronauts could call the president via Zoom or Skype. It might not be as unbelievably crystal clear and perfect as the phone call to Nixon was from the moon to the White House 50 years ago but, hey, we can try!
How?
I'm old enough to remember Apollo, and old enough to remember that people were losing interest in it even after only 3 landings. I think it's too bad Congress killed the project when they did; they should have funded it to land in the Tycho crater and land, if only once, on the far side. (The first mission was planned, the second wasn't.)
Also, I remember a certain Democrat constituency being very ticked off about the whole enterprise.
Or maybe “too many people” weren’t involved. Unless you’re the CEO of a company, would you really know what projects the other departments in your company are working on? Unlikely. And if the moon landing was faked (it was)then there wouldn’t need to be a particularly large group involved anyway.
They even put on a virtue signaling show - Rev Ralph Abernathy drove some stupid Poor People Wagon Train down to the Kennedy Space Center. Of course, the media slobbered all over it!
The Landing Module had batteries for 40+ hours of use (descent to and activity on the lunar surface and ascent to rendezvous) and the Command Module had batteries for re-entry operations (about 15 minutes of use). For the rest of the mission, electrical power came from the fuel cell in the Service Module.
Dude, even if they couldn’t make a penny, spending billions means nothing to those cretins in government. Money isn’t the issue you made it out to be. It’s the fact that the technology to go there never existed and won’t for the foreseeable future.
Remember there's no air to conduct heat in space. In that respect, it's like the vacuum between the inside and outside bottles of a Thermos. So the only heat transfer that can take place (unless you jettison mass, see below) is radiant transfer. That means that, as long as you are careful about the amount if infrared you absorb from the sun, your heat loss due to radiation is going to be fairly small, and you can control your temperature pretty effectively.
The flight avionics and other equipment on board Apollo generated a fair amount of heat. (And, since the only heat loss is radiative, it stayed mostly on the spacecraft.) When Apollo 13 had to turn all that stuff off, the spacecraft gradually got very cold, despite being in direct sunlight for almost the whole trip. Parts of it got below freezing.
Keep in mind that to transfer energy takes energy.
Only if "uphill" against entropy.
Climate control of spacesuits during moonwalks is a whole other topic. The problem -- remember this was in lunar daylight almost exclusively -- was keeping the astronauts cool. You can't run a conventional A/C system because it has no place to sink the waste heat because it's in a vacuum. So the "air conditioner" relied on cooling by evaporating water. Once the onboard water supply ran out, that was the end of the moonwalk.
No solar sails were on the capsule. Where did the juice come from?
Do you mean solar cells? The Apollo command and service module ran off fuel cells powered by hydrogen and oxygen. The byproduct of the fuel cells was water, which where the astronauts got their water for drinking and washing. The lunar module had onboard batteries, which were ordinarily good for about 3 days or so.
They had to build a modified Apollo service module for Skylab, which involved docking to a space station for up to 84 days. Fuel cells were only useful for about two weeks and couldn't be shut down & restarted in space, so they removed some of the fuel cell hardware and replaced it with batteries to get the astronauts back to earth. (The batteries could be charged by the solar panels on the station.)
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