Posted on 08/04/2023 5:22:34 AM PDT by Red Badger
we were flying back from Las Vegas and the attendant kept bumping my hung over son in law with her ginormous badonkadonk while he was trying to sleep. We thought it was funny but alas, he did not.
That question came to mind.Are they hiring the best or those the govt forces them to hire?
This is long, but it is a subject that has been foremost in my mind for decades now, so I hope you all can forgive and indulge me this post.
I think the bigger issue (the root of the problem) is the lack of civility and polite behavior in our society.
Now, it is weirdly considered some kind of infringement on someone’s personal freedom to pass judgement on rude behavior, almost as if it were some kind of right for people to be rude and uncivil.
It is as if “not minding your own business” and speaking out or making a personal judgement against rude behavior is a more egregious violation of some kind than the rude or uncivil behavior itself.
I have seen repeatedly in the last 40 years, and more increasingly, that being judgmental is something bad, and it should be avoided.
I have come to believe that not only should “being judgmental” NOT be avoided, that avoiding it has serious consequences, and we are reaping the harvest that we as a society have sown.
I am a firm believer that one of the MOST damaging things we have done as a society is to eradicate the concept of shame. Shame is part of a cultural framework that has bound people together, and the removal of shame has resulted in what we now see in everything from people assaulting passengers and flight crew to people insisting it is their right to walk down the street in a parade in front of children with their genitals hanging out.
In the past, when a structure of positive personal values existed in a person (usually imparted at the end of a belt by parents, if need be, if gentle instruction was not sufficient) that was enough to compel people to say “please”, “thank you” and “excuse me” when it was appropriate.
If those values did not exist, there was a framework of judgmental and shaming mechanisms by society at large that even people lacking positive personal values would try to avoid.
We have removed both shaming and judgmental behavior in our society, and we are seeing the rotted and spoiled fruit of that tree.
Here is an example: My wife and I went to Bermuda many years ago, and Bermuda was, even at that somewhat “recent” date, nearly tyrannical in its politeness. It is apparently no longer that way now, and is more like America in this respect, but back then, Bermudians were deadly serious about politeness.
This manifested itself in a variety of odd ways. One of them was wearing of appropriate clothing and following of posted rules, both of which were expected to be observed voluntarily by all, Bermudians and Tourists alike. My wife and I stayed at a hotel, and they were very specific, no bathing suits were to be worn in the hotel lobby, shoes and shirts were to be worn. (Meaning, no bare feet) This was no super fancy hotel, either, though it was very nice.
Anyway, I had rented a small sailboat, and when I capsized it, I cut my big toe sufficiently righting it to produce a relatively constant flow of blood. I dragged the boat on the beach, and soaking wet, in my bathing suit, no shirt or shoes, hopped on one foot into the lobby to obtain medical assistance, or at least a band-aid to stop the bleeding enough to get to a position I could treat it.
I was about a quarter of the way, hopping through the lobby on one foot, when an older, black, Bermudian female employee came right up to me and began reprimanding me in a very stern (not mean or loud, but very deliberate) voice about appropriate attire in the lobby. I don’t remember exactly what she said, and it was probably not loud enough for someone ten feet away to hear clearly, but it was something like “Sir, you cannot be in this hotel lobby in a wet bathing suit with no shirt or shoes!” as she pointed at a prominently posted sign.
I stammered, pointing to my bleeding toe (should be inside a shoe) at the end of a wet leg (should be dry) protruding from a wet bathing suit (a forbidden bathing suit!) topped by a shirtless torso (probably the most egregious transgression of all) but she would have none of it, though she did soften a smidgen.
But not a lot.
The point is, this woman (and Bermudians in general back then) regarded adhesion to the visibly posted rules (and any universally known or posted rules) as a form of politeness, and expected every single person, bleeding toe or not, to observe those at the peril of even a potential private shaming as I was receiving.
I know, that sounds like overkill given my bleeding toe which I stammeringly tried to bring up in my defense. She ended up by personally walking me over to an office, where they produced a bandage and a towel, and a polite but firm admonition to avoid entering the lobby in that condition in the future, bleeding appendage or not.
But this experience was not the one that really drove home the point of just how serious Bermudians were about politeness.
On that same trip, my wife and I wanted to use the bus system to get around the island. We didn’t know exactly how it worked, but assumed if we went to a bus stop and waited, a bus would stop, allow us to board, and we would pay the driver. So we waited, and soon enough, a bus arrived and allowed us to board the somewhat crowded but, presumably Bermudians on their way to work.
When I tried to give the driver a Bermudian dollar bill, the driver became angry, and in a loud, disrespectful voice hissed at us: “You cannot pay with that. Don’t you read the rules? You MUST have the exact change? I cannot give change to every passenger. You tourists should read the rules before you get on the bus!” and followed it with a a jerking hand motion to board and take a seat and figure out our fare in some fashion.
It was very humiliating. My wife and I, both red-faced and burning with shame, walked a few rows back and seated ourselves.
About two seconds after we were seated, a black Bermudian woman behind us leaned forward and said in a firm yet accusatory tone of voice to the driver: “You shouldn’t talk to those people like that. They are guests here and don’t know how things work.”
I was about to protest quietly to this woman that it was okay, she didn’t need to make a fuss, and we were sorry we didn’t know and would remember the correct procedure next time, when I turned to look look at her we saw half a dozen people, quiet reproach towards he driver on their faces, nodding in agreement with the woman who spoke out, while reaching in their purses and pockets to pull out change to give us. (GIVE to us to pay our fare, not make change for us to give to the driver...seemingly almost a form of apology for the rudeness of the driver!)
It made me gulp then, and thinking of it even now, that undercurrent of omnipresent and kind, yet aggressive politeness present in that society brings a sense of respect and longing for that long lost sense of a valuable shared respect for courtesy that is so long gone it makes my heart ache to think it was once there, even in our own America.
Sadly, last time my wife and I went to Bermuda, that value system that Bermudians tenaciously observed is no longer apparent, and a Bermudian person I talked to said that the young people wanted no part of it, and it has atrophied and largely disappeared.
Now, courtesy and respect for others is an ancient, nearly vestigial organ in our country. It is even ridiculed or regarded as odd behavior.
My wife and I were riding the mass transit system in Boston about 20 years ago, and it was crowded with commuters. There was an elderly woman standing there, holding onto a strap, and I stood, grabbed a strap, and offered her my seat, making eye contact and motioning to the now empty seat next to my wife. What startled me is that my behavior must have been so...abnormal...for that point in time in society and in that environment, that there was nearly a look of panic on that poor woman’s face, and she jerked her face away to look in another direction.
I did not sit back down (to give her a chance to change her mind) and a young guy who was standing there watching, came over and sat down in my vacated seat.
That whole thing shocked me. I had grown up being imbued with the values of please, thank you, yes sir, yes ma’am, open a door for anyone, offer your seat to an older or pregnant woman (it was originally to “give your seat to a woman, but after I saw the look of abject hostility when I tried that from “any woman”, I saw that ship had left port a long time before that) and so on.
I miss that sense of civility. I miss it, and I believe, our society misses it FAR more than I do, but misses it because it now give free reign to anyone to to behave in nearly any manner they wish.
Even (and especially) here on Free Republic.
On this forum, I am no saint in this. I am just as often rude and mean to people as anyone else I see. I try to rationalize that this is a place where sharp-elbowed discourse can be the norm, and try to maintain a thicker skin, but that has been a flaw in my character my whole life which I constantly combat.
I make a point of trying to not say something to a person on this forum that I would not say to someone if they were standing in front of me in person, but in real life, I can be irrational and hot-headed, and I say things I regret. In this, I fail often enough (as I do in many other aspects of my life) but just as quickly, I regret it, try to apologize whether the person is deserving of an apology or not or wants an apology or not. I don’t succeed all the time, but I make it a point to try. Being married as long as I have, I understand fully the “Don’t go to bed angry” frame of mind, and subscribe to it when I can.
If I fail, I pick myself back up and vow to do better next time.
I have only made a small number of real enemies on here, but I do have persons I simply don’t respond to because I have deemed that civil discourse is not possible with them. But having nearly 100,000 posts, and only having a few (probably less than five) that I have determined I shouldn’t talk to, I think I am succeeding in my efforts to keep things above board, at least for my part. (There are likely many who feel that way about me, and won’t respond) I guess it would be best to have none in this class, but...none of us is perfect.
With that, I issue a heartfelt and genuine apology to those who read this that I may have been uncivil to, and vow to try to do better in the future. You deserve better, and so do I.
I’m not okay with anyone telling me how to behave when I am paying them for a service. People know the consequences of bad behavior on airlines.
This used to be the norm. And because it was the norm, people understood authority and responsibility.
Maybe we all should reflect on WHY this bothers us/you.
Please.
Do.
Not.
Fly.
Don't get anywhere near an airport.
Drive your car.
Rent a car.
Walk.
Ride your bicycle.
Ride a horse.
Whatever.
Just don't fly.
And shut the hell up about it. Most of you don't know what you're talking about anyway.
Bull crap. I’ve been flying all my life. It was never the norm. By the way, no union scum, glorified bus driver has authority over me or deserves my respect.
Civility is reserved for the civilized.
The lack of civility in our society is due to the number of uncivilized people in it, whether raised here, imported, or invading.
It's also tied to mental defect, where the same thug who'll murder someone for "dissing" (disrespecting) him, will meanwhile fling feces at everyone they can. That psychopathic incapacity to connect what they do to others only gets worse.
LOL. My late wife, who was from Montgomery, AL, said it was common knowledge there that even if you were going to heaven you had to go through Atlanta. ;-)
I agree, but at least I wish the mechanisms to make people persona-non-grata for their behavior should be in place.
Really, I laffed out loud! Thanks!
Well said, sir.
I look forward to your potential future admonitions
Gracious courtesy is better than dogmatic courtesy. But any couresy is much better than no courtesy at all.
That’s what I told my wife. Ha ha.
She saved $300 on comparable tickets. But AA cost us three nights at our resort…and lost luggage.
Add to that the explosive u controlled violence of a certain demographic.
I am neither however you lack class and integrity. Save your breath... You'll need it to blow up your date.
Ya, he is the one, also gets pissy when someone needs to use the rest room. I guess the captain hit a nerve with this old wokie.
Bull crap. I’ve been flying all my life. It was never the norm. By the way, no union scum, glorified bus driver has authority over me or deserves my respect.
Warriors do deserve our respect and support. In my book, THIS pilot was a warrior, doing his job.
He’s union scum bag so damn full of himself that he has to make flying for paying customers more distasteful. He’s no warrior. He ought to shut his trap and just do his job quietly.
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