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To: ganeemead

I am not a fan of the Ukraine war funding by the US.

OTOH, I don’t buy the “we pushed Russia too hard.” Russia in the past several years has invaded several countries several times, all of which seem to recover territory they lost when the Soviet empire disintegrated. Ukraine looks like the next step. The Soviets are the obvious aggressor with no excuse except that they want to rebuild the Soviet empire borders.

Europe is threatened by this. We are not.

Europe is wealthy and well armed. And if they were to make a small effort, could overwhelm a depopulated and poor Russia when the stakes got high enough.

I regard this as Europe’s problem, which they can easily solve.


2 posted on 07/27/2023 11:38:29 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

At risk of sounding like a neocon, I tend to agree with you on this. I don’t understand the whole “NATO scared us into conquering more territory” argument by Russia. I mean, did Europe scare Hitler into taking it over in the late 30s?
Maybe my understanding isn’t nuanced enough.


4 posted on 07/27/2023 11:44:41 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: ModelBreaker

Europe is not prepared for war. They sold their soul for socialism, trusting that the US would always be a willing servant.

They are not prepared, I suspect. Who are they going to send, white people, to reduce their numbers relative to the Third Worlders or the Third Worlders who have no loyalty to their adopted countries?

Europe defeated itself through socialism.


5 posted on 07/27/2023 11:45:09 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: ModelBreaker
Russia in the past several years has invaded several countries several times, all of which seem to recover territory they lost 

True, but we can't pretend to be innocent bystanders or righteous actors.

16 posted on 07/27/2023 12:29:27 PM PDT by x
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To: ModelBreaker
I'd agree, but we did sign the START 1 Treaty, the Lisbon Protocol and The Budapest Memorandum.

Many Ukraine politicians wanted to keep their nukes to forestall Russian aggression, but were given security assurances by the US, UK, France and China.

Russia, also, promised to respect Ukrainian sovreignity.

Why would Ukraine bargain in good faith when Russian promises are worthless?

37 posted on 07/27/2023 3:21:35 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: ModelBreaker

There’s nothing wrong with Russia that a new Romanov Tsar wouldn’t fix.


38 posted on 07/27/2023 3:25:18 PM PDT by threefinger
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