Posted on 07/25/2023 11:22:09 AM PDT by DallasBiff
In the courthouse chambers, Finn and Steffy wait for the trial to begin. Finn says it shouldn’t be long now, and Steffy is hoping Sheila gets sent to prison for the rest of her life. She asks Finn how he’s doing given she’s his birth mother. He says it doesn’t matter and she needs to pay but can’t help but think about the embrace they shared.
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I was wondering how they were going to handle her “trial.” If this had been a real person committing those crimes, they’d have lynched the judge for letting Sheila back out on the street.
Hey, I’m a straight dude and watch the remaining soaps on CBS and ABC, even if I’m way out of their target audience.
And now frequently with Deacon Sharpe that she’s been sprung. =8-0>
I don’t think they’ve ever run that movie on cable. Rather infamous for its subject matter.
No, Ronn Moss retired from the show in 2012. They brought in Thorsten Kaye (who is German !) and 14 years younger to replace him in 2013. This recast has never worked. Moss was the quintessential, laid-back, pretty-boy Southern California type. Kaye is dark, brooding and too European and is still playing his character from the defunct “All My Children” that he’s never been able to shake. Not that he’s a bad actor, he’s just miscast.
And they won’t, not widely at least. The material that would be cut to run it likely negates the titillating premise that bases the film. I liked Amanda Plummer in it; missed seeing her much after Pulp Fiction.
Ew, I beg to differ. And also he is unkempt and his hair probably stinks, it's so greasy. He and “Victor Newman” always look like they need a good hot shower and shampoo. IMO...
Well, looks and acting are two different things. ;-)
I still think Thorsten Kaye is playing his Zach Slater character from “All My Children.” He was fine and appropriate for that role, but after a decade, he is still terribly miscast as Ridge Forrester.
As for Eric Braeden, he probably uses the “Dapper Dan” pomade. ;-D
LOLs!
No, you can’t fool me about Eric Braeden. You can tell which days he has shampooed and which not!
I never watched AMC, so didn’t know the Slater role. I do think Kaye’s dark looks are good for Ridge, who was the child of an affair between matriarch Stephanie and an Italian designer. But his gruff voice and trace of native German accent don’t fit—Ridge supposedly grew up in California with an Irish mother and an English-Scottish father. (I missed my calling as a casting director. I think some of them go by looks only.)
Kaye’s version of Ridge and Brooke really don’t feel like a good match. Ron Moss and KKL were both California airheads and their Hollywood romanticism and promiscuity fit that hippie/Valley profile. The scripts for Ridge don’t make him smart enough to go with Thorsten’s broody, passive characterization. Italian lotharios are passionate, dramatically narcissistic and possessive, even when they only intend possession to bind the woman and not themselves. Kaye just doesn’t produce that intensity. He’s pissed off when Brooke is with another man, but that’s because a rule was broken, it’s not logical and his ego is wounded, but not because his heart is wounded and betrayed.
I am not fond of the latest turn of events— the indecisive dweeb Liam interfering with Stephanie Finnegan, whom he could never decide about before. Soap operas hate lasting marriages and children raised by their own parents.
You got that right, and he lost mental case Hope, to another mental case Thomas.
Hahahahahaha!
I can probably forgive Braeden. He’s not been in the best of health. He may leave Y&R before long, although I think once he goes, so goes the show.
As for Kaye, I don’t think he looks particular half-Italian. Ronn Moss, conversely, did have that “look.” Of course, Kaye and Braeden both have the similar accent problem, despite both characters being Americans (and Braeden’s German haughtiness has been impossible to cover up).
I’m still not sure how Kaye got cast in the role, other than being there at the right time when Moss retired and the AMC reboot on the internet sadly didn’t take off (ABC having canned both AMC and OLTL was a terrible mistake, with the garbage cheap replacement shows failing shortly after). Of course, they also had a similar problem with the Thorne Forrester character. Winsor Harman’s prominent Louisiana-Texas accent for a California-born fella, and even worse with Ingo Rademacher, a German-Australian (although the latter would make sense with Kaye — if they were raised overseas !). Poor Thorne has been missing in action for some time now, even worse with Ric, who just vanished into the air.
I’m not even sure now who could adequately play Ridge, but they probably should’ve gone with an unknown. As I told “DallasBiff”, I think the men still fawning over a 60-something Brooke (whose moniker of the “Slut from the (San Fernando) Valley” just is so dead-on... Stephanie sure called it) remains just utterly ludicrous. No wonder Brooke needed Bill “The Stallion” Spencer to satisfy her Sarlacc pit of a vagina. Most normal men, being with Brooke would be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway. The fella working at Deacon’s restaurant was like watching her grandson hit on her. Yikes.
As for Liam, he should never have ended up with Hope, anyway. Finn isn’t much better as a character, he just looks lost all the time. He should’ve stayed dead. Maybe if they want to punch him up, they can have him go nutters like his mom, Sheila (BTW, why do they never mention the other children Sheila had and left behind ?). I think Thomas should be with Hope, because as she said herself, he’s really only been in love with her for a decade, and didn’t really love Liam’s dead, flaky cousin.
As for soaps hating long-lasting marriages (and faithful ones), the problem is often they lack for drama. No drama, no show. Same problem with the nighttime soaps from the ‘80s, too. I don’t think there was ever a stable marriage on B&B.
I’d call Thomas a “recovered” mental case. Hope was already disrespecting her marriage to Liam when she insisted on working with Thomas closely on her line, this just gave her an out. She’s just becoming more like her mother AND father’s daughter now.
The hair -- I looked at a bunch of images and it seems that Braeden shampoos occasionally and has it blow dried -- which looks nice, but uses some kind of goop to slick it back in between, and the randomness of his natural wave doesn't cooperate. Wish he would wash and blowdry for every taping. They probably do a whole week's worth in a day.
I read that he has prostate cancer, and so far, it doesn't show in his face or body, so maybe they got it in time. Not fun, but there are great things they can do now for that.
I agree that he is a linchpin of the show, and so far no one else strikes me as the replacement Alpha Male, even Scott Morrow. Was it you who opined on an earlier thread that it looked like they could have set the Ashland character up to take that spot; but during covid, the actor Richard Burgi broke one of the guidelines and was summarily fired. At that point, the writers started making a potentially redeemable character into the bad guy—and the subsequent use of Robert Newman in the role finished him off. Missed opportunity.
As for the marriages thing, it's pretty disgusting that none of the marriages seem to last more than 3 years -- right now they've broken up young couples with little kids —Abby'n'Chance and Summer'n'Kyle. I used to like As the World Turns because there were a least a couple of stable wedlocks on there who managed to have drama nevertheless.
It's a lack of creativity on the part of the scenario developers. Surely life throws enough heartache even for married couples to have to tackle instead of running off to the next bedpartner. Eventually everyone on the show sleeps with everyone else on the show, or discovers that Dad ain't really Dad and their former rivals are now stepsiblings.... That may have worked as a soap writer's standard when they used to have casts of two or three dozen; but they're down to a cast of a dozen regulars now and it's super yucky. Now they have 52-year-old grandmother Sharon Case sleeping with 30-year-old new father Connor Floyd (Chase). Oh, please.
I close with this photo for LOLs:
Hahahahahaha!! Good one!
Dallasbiff, forgot to ping you to my post just before this one.
Joshua Morrow’s Nick, despite being 49, still comes off like a kid who hasn’t got out from under his dad. Steve Grossman’s Adam isn’t much better, and just comes off as perpetually angry and sullen. Neither come off as leading men as a result.
Even Peter Bergman can’t carry it off as a sole leading man as an opponent of Victor’s who usually got the short end of the stick.
Yes, I was the one that suggested Richard Burgi had the strength to possibly supplant Braeden, but that went down the toilet.
Curiously, one who could step up as a good leading actor/villain is Trefor St. John. I was not crazy about him assuming the role of Tucker McCall. But TSJ has excellent range, and can switch from comic relief to charming to menacing on a dime. He was one of the better actors on “One Life To Live.”
As for Chance and Grandma Sharon, it seems like they’re floating Chance to go with Summer. That seems far better a match.
Trevor St John as the big mahoff — that’s an interesting idea. He and Ashley end up taking over Jabot and start being the power couple in GC against whom — Victoria and Nate? That’s a stretch for me, but who knows. They’ve got no one else for her, and have pretty much wrecked her character. I’ve never liked his acting. I miss Kristoff St. John. Their entire black community has disappeared except for Elena, the doctor, who is not very exciting. I also miss Mishael Morgan; she really livened things up.
Agree that they’ve been setting up Summer and Chance. So why the yucky May-October sex in the meantime? Ew. They need middle-aged men for Sharon and Phyllis if they are to continue being main characters, not even to mention someone more likely for Victoria; and for Traci, Jill and Cricket if they stick around.
Apparently, when they created the character of Tucker McCall in 2009, he was intended to take over from Victor to be the main villain (Braeden was considering leaving then after almost 30 years in the role), but it didn’t pan out.
Of course, Trever St. John is 20 years too young for the role, the character should be at or over 70 (William Russ, the original actor, is 73 this year. Stephen Nichols is a year younger at 72). Seeing him as a love interest opposite Ashley, who looks 15-20 years older than he does, is a bit off. The same problem with the unusually large number of pairings of older women-younger men on the soap. That might’ve made sense when his birth mother’s character of Kay Chancellor was banging 20-year old stable-hands back in the ‘70s when she was a boozehound, but not for serious relationships.
Victoria and Nate, another older female-younger male relationship. I’m on the fence regarding her character. Nate, however, has had a good character arc, and his trajectory and their relationship wasn’t forced (as a Black character, at least, which we’ve seen countless times).
You’re correct that Kristoff St. John’s untimely death left a gigantic hole, especially with respect to the Black characters. You can also tell all the other characters don’t have to act when referencing his absence, they really felt it (including Braeden). Nobody’s been able to fill his shoes. Brytni Sarpy’s Elena has virtually disappeared, not seen since she had to preside over the loss of Adam and Sally’s baby. She doesn’t have anyone to interact with now that she and Nate ended.
A huge mistake was killing off Mishael Morgan’s original character (which apparently was planned before Kristoff’s sudden death), and although having the characters react to two deaths (one fake/one real) made for intense drama, playing the unknown twin sister (a long since tired old trope) and then hooking up with Devon was just a bit much. With his cheating with Abby, and her 2nd character departure, that also forced the axing of the half-sister character, who could’ve been an interesting character in Nate’s life as a love interest. As I said to both you and DallasBiff, they just have such a terrible time (at least on these two CBS soaps) of writing for Black characters, choosing to just simply boot them rather than keep more than a couple around (B&B being the worst example of that, which we discussed awhile back). I know Victoria Rowell (Drucilla Winters) made a stink about that, and playing the race card, which seems to be an often false trope from so many in the Black community as to be an overused cliché, but having watched the shows for some time, I don’t think this was an unfounded claim.
I think the dirty secret the producers and the networks won’t often admit with respect to Black casts on shows, that other than for an occasional hit, they tend to be ratings losers. I think it also has to do with such bad writing for those shows (at least in the post-’80s era) and P.C./Woke garbage.
Eileen Davidson is 12 years older than TSJ. If her younger male partner were taller and more buff, he wouldn’t look so much like Wally Cox or Don Knotts when standing beside her.
Not only is Neil gone, but also his brother, sister-in-law, a couple of wives, his kid Moses, his grandchilden by Lily, Devon’s two Mishael women, her sister, mother and father, and even that other sharp woman lawyer Leslie Michaelson and her brother Tyler—Abby’s one-time boyfriend from a decade back—gone. Except for the rarely-seen Dominic, the only POC cast members left are Nate and Devon, and they don’t get along. Also cleared out—the hispanic family. Rey was boring, and Arturo getting it on with either Abby and especially Nikki Newman was ludicrous; but I liked the woman chef.
They need to hire us as consultants. Or form a long-time viewer board of advisors. But who knows if any of it will survive the writers’ strike?
Well, I’m just saying Tucker is supposed to be older than Ashley, and that’s blatantly not the case with Trefor St. John in the role. I’m not sure they’ve got much chemistry, and I can’t see his character’s obsession with Ashley. Conversely, I could see his great chemistry with Audra Charles. Why he’d give up that hot bundle for a geriatric Ashley just doesn’t register with me (unless he was planning to simply use Ashley, get control of Jabot, dump her again and get together with Audra).
You certainly underscore how Y&R has all but purged virtually all the Black characters other than for just the few romantically involved with the White ones. Lily’s is almost the most ridiculous. She had two young children and then *poof*, they were SORAS’d to seniors in high school (with the two actors playing them barely looking much younger than her), sent off to college and now gone. It’s like Lily is single without any kids now and can “play” with Daniel like they’re both carefree teens again. It’s just so odd.
I’ve always viscerally hated the SORAS’ing of child characters on the soaps, which messes up timelines/ages, etc. These shows have years to develop, let them age naturally. Lily’s kids should be at home (born in 2010, so 13 years old) and would be likely quite unhappy that she was dating her ex-b/f and looking to interfere or sabotage the relationship so they could get her back with their dad. In fact, go right back to it, even Lily herself should just be 28, so she wouldn’t even have 2 13 year olds unless she got knocked up as a high school freshman (nevermind that the no-longer-seen adult kids are around 21/22).
General Hospital has gotten into a bit of a pickle over a recent recast with the Molly Lansing-Davis character, though this because of the gross misconduct of the actress playing her who had to be fired after being drunk or high while driving and causing two accidents (Haley Pullos). The character should be in her early 20s (SORAS’d from what would be 17). The new actress who took over the role turns 40(!) soon, which got a lot of flak. They had another actress briefly in the role for a few weeks who was the right age, but bore a strikingly uncomfortable resemblance to the now rarely-seen tranny doctor(!)
I’d have liked to have gone to Hollyweird way back when, not to be (my politics alone would’ve gotten me blacklisted). Consulting would be nice, if only to keep the characters on track (heck, I’d probably do a lot more darker stuff - maybe too dark for daytime tv). My preference is seeing stuff flow more organically, rather than forced P.C./Woke garbage for relationships or storylines, which you especially see on nighttime shows or even commercials. Probably the biggest mistake decades ago (for non-leftists, at least) was not starting up their own version of Hollywood instead of letting them be at the mercy of leftists who would not stand behind them, but would stab them in the back. They’re the only group that’s been purged more than Black folks off the CBS soaps. =8-0>
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