Posted on 07/17/2023 7:03:28 AM PDT by Rev M. Bresciani
Apparently, you care enough to point out that you don't care.
How does that work, exactly?
Regards,
I don’t care if it’s war or illegal invasion. Not the United States business.
Are you a US citizen? Are you a US Veteran?
And that slimebag Lindsey Graham.
Can you expand on that -- perhaps by following up with an explanation for why Americans should GAF about it?
LOL.......nice comeback.
Tucker Carlson chided Mike Pence for being more concerned about defending
(and US financing) the Ukraine than dealing with our escalating domestic problems.
Tucker: “Where’s the concern for the United States?”
Pence: “That’s not my concern. Tucker I’ve heard this routine from you before. That’s not my concern.”
Easily the most ignorant statement ever made by a presidential candidate.
It’s actually more legal than the NATO attack on Libya and our continued presence in Syria. Donetsk and Lugansk declared independence and under UN rules asked Russia for assistance. No different than Kosovo.
Germans and Brit’s have a never ending hostile obsession with Russia.
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Kindly point us to the UN authorization for America to be in Syria, or for NATO to have attacked Libya, or for NATO to attack Kosovo. Or kindly point out to us where the United Nations abdicated it’s legal responsibility and gave it to NATO.
When are invasions legal?
Those there are some pretty fine questions. I eagerly await them being ignored.
Additionally: Your comparison is odious also because neither NATO nor the U.S. ever grabbed territory in any of those conflicts.
Regards,
Not-so-subtle attempt at an argumentum ad hominem.
Suffice it to say: I am a human being with a soul. That ought to be enough to experience moral outrage at the rapacious land-grab which Putin's Russia is currently perpetrating in Ukraine.
Regards,
So…no and no.
Your opinion is meaningless.
Stating the obvious:
1. Since the conclusion of WWII, the Soviet Union / Russia has been our chief geopolitical / military adversary. With the exception of a brief respite during Yeltsin's presidency, that continues to this day.
2. No other nation on Earth has as many nuclear-tipped missiles pointed at America's heartland. That, alone, should suffice to prove that Russia is America's sworn enemy.
3. If America allows Russia to rape and pillage Ukraine, if America concedes to Russia the right to "sit at the table" and dictate who may and who may not NATO, that would be only the beginning. You can be sure that it would be only a matter of time before Putin's Russia made further demands, attacked further sovereign states, etc.
4. Anything that weakens Russia, degrades its military, embarrasses it, or isolates it on the world stage is to America's benefit.
Regards,
They attacked them. That is the law of war. Invasions are not “legal” as long as you do not annex territory. And in any case, Kosovo was annexed in the sense that it was wrested away from Serbia. We wrested away a chunk of Syria from Assad and gave it to our favorite separatists.
We have flouted international law since the mid 90s. The Russian operation is legal under UN rules. At least three of ours are not. That’s fine, I don’t like the UN anyway. But please don’t pretend we and our NATO, carefully follows the law and that Russia is some outlaw nation in that regard.
(Pro-tip: The reason DC keeps prattling about the “rules based order” is that they cannot plausibly discuss international law of war as put forth by treaty and the UN treaty... which we are party to.
Makes no sense!
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Complete with logic statement, as if applicable. It was he who claimed “illegal invasion” debate framework, not “odious” you.
In doing so he sided stepped your direct questions: "Kindly point us to the UN authorization for America to be in Syria, or for NATO to have attacked Libya, or for NATO to attack Kosovo. Or kindly point out to us where the United Nations abdicated it's legal responsibility and gave it to NATO."
One sometimes wins debates by the framing of questions. His game was about “grabbing territory” but bounded off by his next phrase, “in any of those conflicts.” Ergo, if you accept his assumptions, you must agree with him. If you question the root assumptions, you are attacking with ad hominem. This is a lose-lose game set up by and played the "Randian Libertarian," as he calls himself, as rule maker.
To another, he quips "Suffice it to say: I am a human being with a soul. That ought to be enough to experience moral outrage..." One may then proceed to fill in the next phrase as one will.
So if you disagree with him, you "experience" no "moral outrage" as to his. Or perhaps you have no soul?
Of course, he claims he always states "the obvious."
The obvious is that, of the three stances ( 1-pro-Z, 2 - pro-P, and 3 - "not my circus and not my clowns" ), he allows only two. White hat and black hat. Super Hero versus Super Villain. And if one does not agree with him, one makes ad hominem attacks, can't experience "moral outrage," refuses the "obvious" and perhaps has no "soul." It's a fine game. But it is a game.
Why is it a game? Because none of us plays any part in the NATO decision making and actions, the Ukrainian decision making and actions, the Russian Federation's decision making and actions, and sure as heck not the idiot Biden administration's decisions and actions. Their playing the real game. We're actually not. Not me. Not you, and not the Randian Libertarian.
The very messy and murderous conflict between officially non-NATO Ukraine and officially non-NATO Russia is a NATO affair, you see? < sarc >
That made the additional question quite pointed: "When are invasions legal?"
Because if it isn't, then there must be a fallacy somewhere.... But never worry, moral outrage fills in the gaps. "That ought to be enough."
And if that's not enough, think of the Sunny Bunny Festival in democratic and currently election-free Ukraine.
"Ukraine to Hold its First Queer Film Festival" -- because Variety is the spice of something....
Soucre: https://variety.com/2023/film/global/ukraine-queer-film-festival-1235507805/
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