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Why Is it so difficult to talk politics with liberals?
American Thinker ^ | 17 Jul, 2023 | Jeff Davidson

Posted on 07/17/2023 6:15:08 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: OHPatriot

Liberals and leftists have been deeply brainwashed by the mass media as well as universities.

That brainwashing has been done by masters of the art.

De-programming brainwashed people is very difficult at best—not a task for amateurs.


101 posted on 07/17/2023 12:42:58 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: aquila48

>> And the reason is because they see reality as “unfair” <<

Back in the days of Christendom, we knew what to do about unfairness: be grateful and give back (ie, noblesse oblige).

We no longer have the idea that “from those to whom much is given much is expected.”

Some are not too bad and do try to give back in money or time, others not so much.


102 posted on 07/17/2023 1:52:31 PM PDT by Chicory
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To: cld51860

I have a friend that had no idea about Biden showering with the daughter or the diary.


103 posted on 07/17/2023 4:41:23 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BOBBY m)
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To: Chicory; MtnClimber

“be grateful and give back”

I find the whole concept of “giving back” rather repugnant. Every time I hear it, it makes me cringe.

It implies, that someone has “taken” something that wasn’t their and that they should give back. It’s a very socialist, utopian concept - everyone should share equally of what everyone produces regardless of their contribution.

What, exactly, have people like Musk, Gates, Steve Jobs, Sam Walton, Henry Ford and on and on, “stolen” that they are under a moral obligation to “give back”?

The way I see it these people have already “given” an incredible amount in the form of products and services that people want, and voluntarily and gladly paid for, and that enriched society.

If any of these free market heroes decide to DONATE (not GIVE BACK) some of their money to a particular cause, organization or charity they should be applauded for their PERSONAL GENEROSITY and not for fulfilling some morally mandatory “giving back” of something they haven’t taken or stolen.

If there are any people that the “giving back” should apply to is people on welfare and all the other “takers”, and what they should give back is at least a sense of gratitude if not some volunteering efforts.

Instead our “takers”, have been taught by our society that what they get is rightfully theirs, and thus no need to show any sense of gratitude, or “giving back”, but just to demand ever increasing entitlements.


104 posted on 07/17/2023 7:21:20 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: aquila48

>> I find the whole concept of “giving back” rather repugnant. Every time I hear it, it makes me cringe. <<

I had hoped that by including the phrase noblesse oblige and the quote my comment would be clear, but I guess I failed.

The giving back is more to God or the universe or whatever. It is not a giving back to the poor. It is simply that, having received much, one should be moved by the plight of those in need to share. This acknowledges that there is a certain amount of providence or luck involved.

Why is Zuckerberg well-known and whoever started MySpace not? Who did Pet Rocks actually get sold? And why does a playboy heir get to be in that position?

Sure they all worked (or rather their parents or grandparents or ancestors did), but most of us happen to be born into families from which we inherit little if anything. Those of us who start businesses are quite likely to work as hard as Zuckerberg but have more of a chance of failing than becoming the next multimillionaire. I have seen people work harder over more useful stuff than Pet Rocks who never got off the ground.

Personal charity means the person who benefits has a personal relationship with the giver and this understands that the giver is doing them a favor, encouraging them to be grateful. How different from government handouts which encourage a feeling of entitlement!

So it is not that those rich people you mentioned have stolen anything but that they have received something.


105 posted on 07/18/2023 1:08:19 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: MtnClimber

Why would one want to?


106 posted on 07/18/2023 2:03:33 AM PDT by vivenne
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