Even that segment was a snip from a longer interview, just in case you or others might want to listen.
When I heard that clip, I thought “Hmm, MacGregor sounds like he could be a Q follower...”
Oh, I agree, he very well could be. It sounded that way to me too.
Darn these work products that don't allow time to listen to the whole thing. That's why you're such a Godsend for giving 12:34 as the start point for that clip. The way the workload is lately, it would've taken me till Wednesday to get there. :-)