Posted on 06/13/2023 9:03:23 AM PDT by dangus
I've gotten three e-mails from ActBlue, which handles ALL of the Democrats' campaigns, about the 2024 presidential race. (I'm on their mailing list so I can keep tabs on them professionally.) It's pretty clear which candidate THEY think THEIR people are most afraid of. It doesn't make sense that this is reverse logic, since this is them trying to tease the worst fears of their own donors. And keep in mind, these aren't get-out-the-vote efforts which often are designed to appeal to moderates; these are fundraising ads designed to appeal to the most red-meat, party-loyal types.
(These are all from BEFORE Trump was indicted; I don't check mail from the Democrats very often, so I just found these.)
From the DEMOCRATS, letter 1
Friend, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, one of the most extreme Republicans in the country, just announced his presidential campaign.
Make no mistake: This man and his extreme agenda should terrify anyone who cares about our democracy, our civil rights and basic decency. We cannot let his far-right policies get to Washington.
That's why I've set a $25,000 rapid-response goal – please, will you rush a $5 donation right now to defend our Senate majority and stop Ron DeSantis' dangerous ideology?
If you don't know about Ron DeSantis and his terrifying record, here is just a snapshot:
He signed an extreme 6-week abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest.
He's pushing a dangerous agenda that threatens the safety and health of LGBTQ+ youth.
He's attacking and undermining educators.
He's made it more difficult for Floridians to cast their ballots and even established an elections police unit to intimidate voters. Ron DeSantis' presidential campaign means that he's one step closer to bringing this dangerous, draconian agenda to Washington. And it also means that this once fringe-like ideology just became the mainstream GOP agenda.
Because of Ron DeSantis' announcement, extremists are going to be even more emboldened in 2024. It's up to us to firmly, completely reject this agenda before it's too late. And that starts with defeating the right-wing extremists who are trying to retake control of the Senate. Please, will you rush $5 before midnight tonight so we can hit our $25,000 rapid response goal, defeat GOP extremism and save our Senate majority?
If you've saved payment information with ActBlue Express, your donation will go through immediately:
Donate $5 Donate $25 Donate $50 Rush another amount This is a scary day for the future of our country. But if passionate, dedicated people like you continue to fight for what's right, I know that we will win.
Thank you,
Gary
From the Democrats, Letter 2: BREAKING NEWS: Ron DeSantis announces presidential campaign!
Please, rush $5 right now to defeat DeSantis' dangerous right-wing agenda!
DONATE $5
Friend, it's official: Ron DeSantis is running for president. And the latest data shows that he's polling NECK AND NECK with President Biden!
Our Democratic Senate majority has spent the last two years leading our country forward and making critical progress for ALL Americans. But we already know that if Ron DeSantis makes it to the White House, he'll do everything he can to UNDO that progress!
DeSantis' record speaks for itself: As governor of Florida, he signed an extreme abortion ban and pushed a dangerous right-wing agenda. He's attacked everyone from the LGBTQ+ community to educators to patients. We cannot let him bring these radical policies to the White House.
That's why we've set an emergency goal to make sure we have the resources to fight back against Ron DeSantis – and we're counting on you, friend, to help raise $25,000 before midnight tonight!
Will you rush $5 now to fight back against DeSantis' presidential bid and defend our democracy?
If you've saved payment information with ActBlue Express, your donation will go through immediately:
Donate $5 Donate $25 Donate $50 Rush another amount
PAID FOR BY PETERS FOR MICHIGAN
Peters for Michigan
From the Democrats, letter 3: Kaine 2024 Team, this is a big deal:
New polling shows Republican Ron DeSantis is tied with President Biden in Virginia in a 2024 matchup.
Virginians know that the road to the White House runs directly through our Commonwealth -- Democrats can’t afford to lose here.
With polls showing that Virginia could be one of 2024’s most competitive battlegrounds, NOW is the time to prepare for a fight.
Tim Kaine’s re-election campaign is building a huge grassroots program designed to persuade, educate, and turn out voters all across the Commonwealth. We’re mapping out plans to open field offices, hire staff, run digital advertising, send out mailers, and communicate the stakes of this election to every voter.
But we can’t do any of that without your help.
Will you chip in any amount right now to help build this voter turnout machine? Together, we can re-elect President Biden and Tim Kaine, and support Democrats all the way down the ticket in 2024?
If you've saved your payment information with ActBlue Express, your donation will go through immediately:
DONATE $20 DONATE $50 DONATE $100 OTHER Thank you for anything you can give. The polls are clear -- we cannot afford not to invest every penny we can into Virginia.
-Team Kaine
>> Is the game over? <<
No, but we have to choose a guy who doesn’t make so many people feel like anything the Democrats do is justified, someone who knows not to trust the likes of Gates and Bolton and Wray and Pompeo and Mnuchin and Meadows and Fauci and Haspel and Tillerson and Haley and Chao and Barr and Nauert and Stone and Manafort.
Trump stacks his cabinet full of Deep Staters, and then the Trump Chumps go ballistic when DeSantis accepts campaign cash from a lobbyist who works for a firm which hires a lobbyist who does work for a Deep Stater.
>> If they succeeded, then why are they still trying so hard? <<
Maybe they’re not as stupid as you think they are. That’s the problem with too many conservatives. They’re so sure they have the solid majority, they’re so sure the Democrats are so stupid. And yet decade after decade, the Democrats just increase in power and ambition, achieving things that the prior decade seemed absolute unthinkable.
“Maybe they’re not as stupid as you think they are.”
That’s not really an answer.
>>> If they succeeded, then why are they still trying so hard? <<<
>> “Maybe they’re not as stupid as you think they are.” <<
> That’s not really an answer. <
Well, you see that attacking Trump is helping Trump in the primaries. Yet you wonder why they are attacking Trump. Maybe they are succeeded in what they are doing: setting up a candidate who can’t win.
So the Democrats think that the weakest candidate to oppose them is the one who can get a higher Republican turnout and win over more independents than any other Republican candidate? And the one who is polling the best in head to head against their own candidate in every poll?
That is your thesis?
Get back to me when they indict him.
According to your logic, they were OK with Trump until last week?
“DeSantis is ... very conservative, more conservative than Trump.”
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Why are you surprised I said that? It’s true. You missed my point. ‘Very conservative’ will never win a general. You stated Dems are more afraid of DeSantis than Trump. Yes, Dems are more afraid of conservatives but they don’t worry about them winning the general. DeSantis can’t win just like Cruz couldn’t win. And that is the real argument for our side……who has a better chance of winning - Very conservative or Populist?
That also explains why they had to destroy Trump personally because his populist views and policies are VERY popular with most Americans regardless of party. They couldn’t attack his policies. He was so effective speaking that they refused to broadcast him. Instead, they ‘told’ (twisted) what he said. They never mentioned his policies only his personality and DOJ lies. Many believed it including some here.
Sadly, the pearl clutchers here can’t understand this simple concept. DeSantis cannot win the general period, his conservative laws passed in FL will be used against him turning off independents and all democrats including the ones that voted for Trump. Vivek would have a shot if republicans could get past their phobias.
As a side note, Dems also have a populist, RFK jr. And they won’t let him win even though he has tremendous support. Both parties despise populists because they stick with common sense and what the people want. The uniparty ignores us and enriches themselves and other elites. They do nothing else.
Meanwhile, voters spend months arguing about 2 men instead of actively working to primary 99% of so-called republicans in Congress. And until that happens, call them repeatedly demanding they step up and act. THIS should have been the game plan starting 2016. Nothing has changed and it won’t change, regardless of who is elected. And voters will continue to point fingers instead of getting engaged in the solution - get off the couch, pick up the phone.
If you think that Trump is perceived as a moderate, you’re crazy. He has the reputation among Centrists as being an unhinged extremist. The thing is that Trump TALKS like an unhinged extremist, but never actually DID many of the conservative things that could make America a much better place.
To his credit, he found real conservatives to put on the Supreme Court, and defeated the notion that the federal reserve should keep the low-end job market phenomenally slack. And he cut out lots of tax loopholes. However...
He surrendered control of the U.S. government to Anthony Fauci and the Red Chinese.
He was so hungry for “victory” against coronavirus, he crowned the gene-manipulation, spike-protein therapies as “vaccines,” thus making the mandates that to his credit he opposed absolutely inevitable.
His incredibly inept response to election stealing discredited any legitimate complaints Republicans had about the election theft.
He promised to build the wall. Not only did he not begin it until way to late to come anywhere near finishing it, but his failure to fix immigration policy made the wall utterly irrelevant. Meanwhile, he did nothing for E-Verify, ensuring the jobs market keeps illegal aliens streaming into America.
He welcomed the LGBTQ movement as they lay waste to any morality in America, ceding the “bathroom wars” as they morphed into the “we have the right to have sex with your children and cut off their genitals wars.”
So despite his three HUGE victories, during his term, America lost its freedom by far faster than during any earlier presidency.
The president we NEEDED would have said:
“Rod Rosenstein. The New York Times published a report that you tried to convince cabinet members to invoke the 22nd Amendment on medical grounds that you knew to be baseless. What this report describes is the most grave crisis of high treason in the history of the United States. Yet your response came closer to a boast than a refutation. On the grounds of the appearance of impropriety, you’re fired.”
“Anthony Fauci, you funded the Chinese program to create coronavirus. You are fired. I am ordering the attorney general to investigate you for violating an Act of Congress, and for treason.”
“Andrew McCabe, you failed to rout out the compromised agents in the FBI. You’re fired. The following people in the FBI, CIA and DHS are also fired...”
No, but we have to choose a guy who doesn’t make so many people feel like anything the Democrats do is justified,
Trump is a fighter a watch dog. Sheep want him to paint himself white and say baa. You are not a sheep are you?
https://sheepdogenterprises.com/on-sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs-dave-grossman/
1. Centrists see Trump as an unhinged extremist
Correct but not because of his policies. Media created that vision. And many bought it.
2. Trump never DID many of the conservative things that could make America a much better place.
Correct. Congress writes/passes legislation. Let that sink in. President’s do NOT write legislation. Congress withheld money for the wall and democrats sued to stop the wall once GOP finally gave him some money for it. Trump won the case after 2 yrs. GOP 2016 failures - Ex GOP promised for 7 yrs to remove Obamacare. A lie. After McCain, no second attempt was made, no one complained. GOP never wanted to repeal. GOP fought the wall. GOP threatened impeachment if Comey was fired. GOP participated in advancing Russiagate (2 yr nightmare), GOP supported Ukraine-gate while ignoring Glen Becks detailed outline of crimes in 2014-2016. Pence the Christian got rid of Flynn.
3. He surrendered control of the U.S. government to Anthony Fauci and the Red Chinese.
You may want to go back and read articles, watch clips starting Feb 2020 - Feb 2021. Armchair quarterbacking on this topic is not accurate. The vax was not released until Biden won the election. I could debate this specific topic for hours but won’t here. If you’re interested, private message me and we will
have an honest debate. My opinion, blaming Trump for this is ludicrous. The mass psychosis on this subject drove libtards, white women, all agencies and companies, media, politicians and the world over a cliff. The hysteria and jail sentences, job losses, all of it was driven by those in power. It was planned. Fauci was simply the face for it. It was all of the fascists that spread it like poison.
4. Incomplete wall, immigration reform and everify.
Correct. See #2.
5. LGBTQ
Would you want a president that can tell states what to do? Before answering, imagine what a Democrat would do if they could. As for culture wars and LGBTQ, those wars are fought in the states, homes and classrooms. Congress passes laws that sometimes applies to states but that doesn’t stop the states from ignoring it. Ex, Marijuana, Sanctuary cities.
6. We lost more freedom under Trump than any other
Hyperbolic. The patriot act under Bush started the spying on Americans.
Above is your synopsis of the Trump presidency which is very shortsighted in my view. What he indirectly exposed woke up the world. Conservatives learned more than anyone because they never believed the institutions were corrupt. Old school democrats, hippies, etc saw it decades ago. Fox didn’t change, the viewers did. Conservatives now know most GOP are uniparty. The downside, we’re too lazy to do anything about it, 7 yrs and counting.
Now, as for my initial response to you, you completely avoided the context so I will simplify:
Can a ‘very conservative’ candidate win the general?
If not, shouldn’t the DeSantis supporters put their eggs in another basket? Vivek? Pence? Scott?
I ask this because DeSantis supporters unanimously believe ‘winning the general’ is the highest priority.
Try to answer without mentioning Trump. It isn’t about Trump.
I very much doubt the Left is scared of DeSantis winning - he’s a liar and deceiver but not scary. Plus they control the machines that count
The election is not quite a year and a half away. Is it possible that they can stretch out the trial beyond the election? I don’t know how federal courts work, but in St. Louis it takes years to get to trial.
>> Correct but not because of his policies. Media created that vision. And many bought it. <<
Exactly. So he has all of the negatives of extremism, without the positives of doing more right. And it’s not only the media, either. He says hot-headed, sloppily worded, hot-headed stuff to get the base excited. Perfect example: the wall. Doesn’t do a God-damned thing. Completely, utterly useless waste of money. But it was a great symbol, making him seem like he’ll do radical things to solve problems, covering for the fact that he has done absolutely nothing legislatively about illegal immigration.
>> Correct. Congress writes/passes legislation. Let that sink in. President’s do NOT write legislation. Congress withheld money for the wall and democrats sued to stop the wall once GOP finally gave him some money for it. <<
He never ASKED Congress to do anything, because he was so weak!!! Presidents have to get their bills passed by Congress, and they never get exactly what they want, but Trump’s defenders make him out to be the first president in history with no legislative agenda.
>>You may want to go back and read articles, watch clips starting Feb 2020 - Feb 2021. Armchair quarterbacking on this topic is not accurate. The vax was not released until Biden won the election. <<
Long before the election, we had a 100%, complete, total and utter loss of all liberty.
>>Would you want a president that can tell states what to do? Before answering, imagine what a Democrat would do if they could. <<
They do. President Obama threatened to withhold federal aid from any school which did not let boys use the girls’ bathrooms. That’s how we got here. President Trump won’t fight back.
>> What he indirectly exposed woke up the world. Conservatives learned more than anyone because they never believed the institutions were corrupt. <<
He emboldened the bad guys to act with total impunity and the confidence to do absolutely anything they could imagine because he was so preposterously weak and inspired such hatred, and you treat that like it was an accomplishment! It’s like it’s 1939 and you’re in Poland, and you’re congratulating Neville Chamberlain for letting the world know how evil Hitler is!
Again, you avoided the question.
Re-posting for the third time:
“Now, as for my initial response to you, you completely avoided the context so I will simplify:
Can a ‘very conservative’ candidate win the general?
If not, shouldn’t the DeSantis supporters put their eggs in another basket? Vivek? Pence? Scott?
I ask this because DeSantis supporters unanimously believe ‘winning the general’ is the highest priority.
Try to answer without mentioning Trump. It isn’t about Trump.”
You answered your own question, so I took it as rhetorical. Given that you didn’t seem open to any response but the one you presumed, I tried to explain how even if your own response is true, the answer is irrelevant, because Trump is seen as the most extremist politician in U.S. history by most Americans, even if he did jack squat to protect American democracy. And no, I wasn’t being hyperbolic: we lost all our freedoms under Trump. Under Bush, even with the patriot act, we were free to worship, free to work, free to speak opinions that contradicted the mainstream narrative. Trump surrendered all of that, and the more mindless of his followers accept that as something that couldn’t be helped.
>> Can a ‘very conservative’ candidate win the general? <<
Absolutely. It’s a much more better climate for victory than even under Reagan.
>> If not, shouldn’t the DeSantis supporters put their eggs in another basket? Vivek? Pence? Scott? <<
And there you go presuming that a more spineless candidate is superior to a more principled conservative. That’s the lie that Leftists want us to believe: that our best hope is to give them what they want and we can briefly win reprieve from their onslaught. There’s still a massive chunk of American voters who are very results-oriented. Folks who backed Reagan and then, attributing Reagan’s successes to him, Clinton. These voters will expect that a multiply indicted President whose own cabinet believed him to be an idiotic tyrant will not vote for Trump. They may well have had the coronavirus come along. But not now.
>> I ask this because DeSantis supporters unanimously believe ‘winning the general’ is the highest priority. <<
And this is a false assertion. Restoring America is the highest priority. You need to win elections to do this, but you also cannot sink your ship.
Thank you for answering the question.
A very conservative candidate cannot win the election but a populist can (Reagan was a populist).
Trump received more votes than any candidate. He had more in 2020 than 2016. Typically elections have 120 million votes. 2020 was 150 million. All elections are much closer than advertised. One can win CA or FL by millions of votes but the swing states can have a difference of 20,000. No doubt that Trump is toxic. No doubt that Biden did not get 81 million votes topping Obama. Trump did not win big 2016, again 75,000 votes from various states made the difference just like 2020. Same thing happened 2000, hanging chad fiasco. Etc.
Where you and I disagree fervently is that there is a part of the electorate including old people that never voted prior to Trump. Granted some of them voted against Trump cue the 150 million. Those people will not vote if Trump is gone. According to polling, 10%-20% of Trump supporters approximately 7-10 million. These people believe DC is a uniparty that they will never support. Like it or not. They didn’t vote for uniparty Bush, McCain or Romney either. Outside of that, many Obama supporters voted for Trump as did alienated dems. Same thing happened 2020 to a larger degree. Those people will not vote for a very conservative nominee either.
As for ‘Trump worst president ever’, that is your and other’s opinion. My opinion, nothing has gotten any better for decades, it only gets worse regardless of who is president. And it is the GOP Congress’s fault. The same people doing the same things for decades. Until that changes, nothing changes.
If you want to convert Trump supporters, try a different approach. Many see ‘justice’ as being the biggest problem. Our government has been abusing the voters for decades. No one seemed to notice until it was proven 2019-ish that the government lied, spied and handicapped the president of the untied states. In my book, that is the biggest threat to America. So…..asking patriots to vote the way the deep state wants is outrageous. Every enemy has said, ‘alienate’ Trump for 7 years. Now it’s DeSantis supporters saying the same thing. If government, dems, never trumpers, media, world leaders, bureaucracy, courts and GOP leaders have told voters to abandon Trump and never succeeded, a DeSantis supporter will never succeed especially when most of them here are obnoxious and ignore how Trump succeeded in many ways to help this country.
Was it:
That is an incomplete list but please tell us what is not conservative about any of those things?
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