In other words surrender because anyone who knows their history knows full well that Russia won't live up to their agreements. A camouflaged surrender is what liberals have always use during the cold war and ou are now repeating that. Stop saying the Ukraine is a proxy war. Ukraine has been attacked and we are helping them defend themselves. All Peace loving countries have an interest in helping Ukraine because Russia needs to be stopped. Excuse me but many people on this board are Putin lovers. Just read what they post.