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Who Was The Original “Birther”? It Was Barack Hussein Obama II Himself!
The Post & Email Newspaper ^ | 25 May 2023 | CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)

Posted on 05/25/2023 9:35:00 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner

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To: DiogenesLamp

The editor is a woman, Miriam Goderich. Until someone asked about it, why would she publicly say anything?

Fake by whose standard. Certainly not Hawaii.


101 posted on 05/27/2023 6:14:34 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: DiogenesLamp

And yet in 1898 it was recognized that it made children born in the US to Chinese parents eligible to be president.

“The common law rule has been finally affirmed by the Supreme Court in the recent case of the United States v Wong Kim Ark. The Supreme Court held that a child born in this country of Chinese parents domiciled here is a citizen of the United States by virtue of the locality of his birth. The whole subject is discussed at length in the opinions of this case. The effect of this decision is to make citizens of the United States, by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment, all persons born in United States of alien parents and permanently domiciled here, except the children of the diplomatic representatives of foreign powers; and therefore, a male child born here of alien Chinese subjects is now eligible to the office of President, altho his parents could not be naturalized under our laws.” William Dameron Guthrie, in Lectures on the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, Page 57

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lectures_on_the_Fourteenth_Article_of_Am/4sUlAAAAMAAJ?hl=en-us&kptab=editions&gbpv=1&bsq=Wong

From the Government’s appellant brief:

“For the most pervasive reasons we have refused citizenship to Chinese subjects; and yet as to their offspring, who are just as obnoxious, and to whom the same reasons for exclusion apply with equal force, we are told that we must accept them as fellow-citizens, and that to because of the mere accident of birth. There certainly should be some honor and dignity in American that would be sacred from a foul and corrupting taint of a debasing alienage. Are Chinese children born in this country to share with the descendants of the patriots of the American Revolution the exalted qualification of being eligible to the Presidency of the nation, conferred by the Constitution in recognition of the importance and dignity of citizenship by birth?”

http://libraryweb.uchastings.edu/library/research/special-collections/wong-kim-ark/AppellantsBrief.pdf


102 posted on 05/27/2023 6:27:11 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: DiogenesLamp

“I noticed you dropped out of our last discussion on this matter. I thought you had ceased being interested in the topic.”

I think I had one more comment to make in our previous conversation but got side tracked and never made it back.


103 posted on 05/27/2023 6:29:48 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan
The editor is a woman, Miriam Goderich. Until someone asked about it, why would she publicly say anything?

It is therefore *NOT* a statement against interest, and so a Liberal woman has no reason not to lie to protect her darling.

Fake by whose standard. Certainly not Hawaii.

It is what they put forth as an "official" document, but that does not in fact make it actual "truth."

I happen to know that states routinely put forth fake documents in efforts to pass them off as real. I have a fake birth certificate and my real one is sealed, but still resident in the state's records.

I was adopted, and the document they created is fake, as in it does not accurately reflect the truth.

It lists my adoptive father as my real father, and lists his address as my residence. All of it is wrong, incorrect and misleading.

So don't start with me about a state says so therefore it must be true. No, states lie all the time in their official birth documents.

Plus many experts have demonstrated that the document is a cobbled together forgery.

104 posted on 05/27/2023 8:11:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: 4Zoltan
And yet in 1898 it was recognized that it made children born in the US to Chinese parents eligible to be president.

My recollection is that their entire argument hinges on the 14th amendment. Anyone who relies on the 14th amendment for citizenship cannot be a natural born citizen. Those existed prior to the 14th and have no use for it.

105 posted on 05/27/2023 8:16:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: 4Zoltan
I think I had one more comment to make in our previous conversation but got side tracked and never made it back.

I am perfectly willing to take it up where we left off. I felt like I was making some progress with you.

Now if I can only find that thread again...

106 posted on 05/27/2023 8:17:34 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I see the grand-master of the OBOTs is now on the scene. One can tell they are over the target when the flak starts from the grand-master of the spin-doctors.

Obama is still the only one whose early life narrative fits the answer for this question: “What post founding era President in U.S. history has had so many people all over the world saying at various time that Barack Hussein Obama II/Jr was “born in Kenya” or “Kenyan born” “? See some examples in this list: https://www.scribd.com/doc/53259902/What-U-S-Pres-in-History-Has-Multiple-Sources-in-Foreign-Country-Saying-He-Was-Born-There

As I stated in the headline when I started this posting and thread when I asked the question and answered it:

“Who Was The Original “Birther”? It Was Barack Hussein Obama II Himself!”


107 posted on 05/28/2023 3:02:25 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner (natural born Citizen, natural law, Emer de Vattel, naturels, presidential, eligibility, kamalaharris)
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