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"Inside-out Wankel" rotary engine delivers 5X the power of a diesel
New Atlas ^ | April 04, 2023 | By Loz Blain

Posted on 05/24/2023 1:22:18 PM PDT by Red Badger

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To: GaltAdonis

“Anybody remember the Mazda rotary engines?”

The wife bought one back in the day. I made the Knoxville to Nashville run at 120. The truckers were having a blast on the CB.


41 posted on 05/24/2023 2:20:13 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Steely Tom
Looks like this approach may solve the seal problem.

Not really. It just moves the Apex seals from the tips of the rotor to the block.

Here's a different Liquid Piston animation that has the "apex" seals shown. They're at the separation point between each of the three chambers, and the peanut rotor rubs against them.


42 posted on 05/24/2023 2:23:42 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: T.B. Yoits

“It would be comparable to having to lubricate the surface of a piston in each cycle.”

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Due to the lack of precision in metal manufacturing of earlier combustion engine components, leaded gasoline was required to help lubricate the cylinder walls and you had take it easy and break in a new engine slowly to help the cylinder rings seat well without scoring the cylinder walls. Today, with the precision of modern manufacturing, that’s no longer necessary of course.


43 posted on 05/24/2023 2:24:30 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: ansel12

how many miles you get out of it? did you sell it still running or did you let it go not running?


44 posted on 05/24/2023 2:25:24 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: T.B. Yoits
On a related note, AMC intended to use a Wankel engine in the Pacer.
The what-ifs there are priceless. Can we hope for a re-boot?
45 posted on 05/24/2023 2:25:38 PM PDT by nicollo ("I said no!")
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To: doorgunner69
I am missing the exhaust cycle?

Still will require edge deals, a bugaboo of the earlier rotary.

See my post #42 for a clearer animation. Being a "two stroke", the exhaust exits one face of the rotor as the intake charge enters from the other face of the rotor.

46 posted on 05/24/2023 2:26:13 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: doorgunner69

exhaust is green...


47 posted on 05/24/2023 2:26:52 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: doorgunner69
I am missing the exhaust cycle?

One "ear" of the lobe is for compression, and the other one is for exhaust.

As the exhaust "ear" pulls away from the chamber, it creates a vacuum pulling the exhaust gas away which then combines with air being forced into the engine to exit through an opening in the face plate. The exhaust is 20% expended gas and 80% new air due to the constant flow of air into the engine.

48 posted on 05/24/2023 2:27:19 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: sit-rep

I totaled it on the third day driving it to Fort Lewis from Houston.

Flipped the car head over tail and then rolled a few times, that was all after splaying the wheels out since I landed right side up at first.

Made the front page of the newspaper, it was totaled from every angle, bottom, top, both sides, front end, rear end, just a mass of metal.


49 posted on 05/24/2023 2:31:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: T.B. Yoits

Sounds like an older two stroke.

Not very good for emissions.


50 posted on 05/24/2023 2:31:43 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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To: Red Badger

Now, if they can build an airframe to deal with the inreased stresses, it sounds like a great power plant for the next gen Predator drone.


51 posted on 05/24/2023 2:32:06 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perhaps we should be less concerned with who we might offend and more concerned with who we inspire.)
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To: Red Badger
See-through Liquid Piston rotary engine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLtyNtf9_ew

Does this really solve the Wankel problem with seals?

52 posted on 05/24/2023 2:32:48 PM PDT by TChad (Progressives are in favor of removing healthy sex organs from children. Conservatives oppose this.)
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To: ansel12

how busted up did you get?? Obviously you lived(thank the almighty!) but how many broken bones??


53 posted on 05/24/2023 2:34:35 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: jacknhoo
Unlike lubricating just the cylinder walls in piston engines, the seal design requires the lobe surface be lubricated as it crosses the seal to prevent excess wear on the seal.

The comparable analogy I used would be lubricating the piston surface in a piston engine. As with the rotary engine, such lubricant would be burned off in the ignition cycle and add to pollutants to the exhaust.

Lead in fuel as I understand was more for lubrication of the valves. Carbon buildup on the valves in direct injection engines, leading to improper sealing, needs to be addressed with fuel cleaners added periodically to the engine. (Whereas mixing fuel in a carburetor or fuel injection bowl prior to entering the cyclinder can use detergents in the fuel to clean the intake valves).

54 posted on 05/24/2023 2:37:49 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Red Badger

later


55 posted on 05/24/2023 2:41:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Two Words: BANANA REPUBLIC!)
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To: sit-rep

None, I thought I lost and eye but it was just a small flap of skin blocking it, I pushed back and then the army sanded it down for me a few months later, my fiance was OK except for some glass in her hand that the emergency room took out, and our Keeshond dog was OK.

I was puzzled for a few moments until I figured out that the interior of the car looked funny to me because we were upside down, it was at night, and an 18-wheeler to us to a town.


56 posted on 05/24/2023 2:42:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: GreyFriar

I don’t recall but a little google research show it was Mazda.
https://www.mazda.com/en/innovation/mazda-stories/mazda/rotary_revolution/#:~:text=It%20was%20Mazda‘s%20engineers%20who,power%2Dto%2Dweight%20ratio.


57 posted on 05/24/2023 2:47:41 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer

Co-worker of mine traded in his 1988 Fiero GT (The year they finally got it right) for an RX7. I’ve never driven an engine that had such a perpetual power curve. It just smoothly hummed to the red line while you were pressed into the seat. Unfortunately every 20K it was in the shop for engine overhauls. A very bad-ass car. It’s reliability though made it British, instead of a Japanese product.


58 posted on 05/24/2023 3:09:43 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) *Return the Pulitzers over Crossfire Hurricane Now. )
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To: ansel12

first thing i would have done was buy a lottery ticket! :P

Bttt!!


59 posted on 05/24/2023 3:15:45 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: Yo-Yo

Agreed, but at least the seals aren’t frantically rotating and nutating and cycloiding all at the same time. That has to be an improvement on the forces they see at the same time they are dealing with all kinds of extreme temperatures and pressures.

After all, pistons have seals too, right? Piston rings?

Anyway, I see what you’re getting at.


60 posted on 05/24/2023 3:32:53 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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