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To: fireman15

“So, you are saying that this conflict is justified because of residual hatred from the idiotic and cruel policies of a Soviet despot from 1932 to 1933?”

Russia invaded Ukraine. Thus, Russia started the war, and Ukraine responded in defense of hearth and home. So, as for Ukraine, its defense is wholly justified.

“My wife and I live in the midst of one of the largest concentrations of Russians and Ukrainians in this country. We have known some for decades. And guess what? The Russians and Ukrainians who live here are good people and do not hate each other. This conflict has of obviously caused some discord, but you have got it completely wrong. Russians hate Stalin as much or more than Ukrainians and no one is blaming current generations of Russians for the maniacs that were in charge 90 years ago.”

Anecdotal. I can make the same argument. There are several Ukrainian families in my neighborhood, and they ALL hate Russians.

And you say that Russians hate Stalin? That’s interesting, because they have his statue and portrait all over the place, and they look back with fondness to his stint as the Soviet leader (even though he was an ethnic Georgian).

“Russians and Ukrainians who live here disagree on a lot but the one thing that they do agree on is that the United States government has botched this situation completely. They believe that the United States government has caused the deaths, injuries, and misery of their countrymen to be much worse.”

Bull crap. The Ukrainians I know would say you are full of shit.

“Most pray only that the mayhem that this idiocy provoked by Neocons such as yourself will be over soon before Ukraine is completely destroyed.”

Well, I’m not a neocon. Are you a neocom(munist)?

“All we have done is made everything much worse starting long before the ‘invasion’ took place.”

Why do you put the word invasion in quotes? That suggests that you don’t consider Russia’s actions against Ukraine (attacking Ukraine proper, inserting Russian troops into Ukraine, and illegally annexing part of Ukraine) to be an invasion. I think only you and the pro-Russia water carriers are probably the only people who don’t think it is an invasion.

“Wake up!!!”

Grow up!


66 posted on 05/22/2023 6:24:01 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
The one who needs to grow up and stop living in fantasyland is you. This "invasion" was the result of provocations and you and I and everyone else knows it. Zelensky was "elected" by promising to make peace with Russia but then his handlers in the West told him to go in the opposite direction and go along with NATO's expansionistic policies crossing a longstanding line that the Russians promised would result in exactly what took place. To top it off we had Biden promising ahead of time that nothing would be done as long as it was a "minor incursion".

Biden Gives Putin OK For

The people of Ukraine were used as pawns by those who had no interest in their well-being. They wanted a proxy war so that they could put Russia in its place.

Only it hasn't worked out that way. It turns out that the Nazi faction that was supposed to be Ukraine's worst bad a$$e$ weren't worth a crap on the battlefield. And the money Russia was making on its exports went up by 50% even after the "sanctions". This eliminated their motive to wrap this up quickly.

In order to believe that Ukraine has any chance of ever pulling out any type of "victory" one has to suspend disbelief. We have wasted over a $113 Billion taxpayer dollars even using Democrat math.

But the real damage are the hundreds of thousands of good men and women who have been slaughtered. The real damage is that our economy has been trashed, 250 million people are in danger of starving to death, over 13M children under 5 are currently impacted by severe wasting, which is severe malnutrition that is likely to kill them and/or cause their brains and bodies to be damaged for the rest of their lives. The real damage is that countries representing 90% of the world's population are ignoring the West's sanctions. And those people are seeing Russia successfully stand up to the West. This is seen as the latest failure of the "woke" West.

President Trump has promised to end this conflict the first day he takes back his stollen office. The problem is that by the time he gets into office the Ukrainian government will have already fallen and there will be nothing left to negotiate. This situation has been botched ten times worse than the botched Afghanistan debacle. And yet we have gullible fools such as yourself still cheerleading for this awful mess. When will geniuses such as yourself grow up?

67 posted on 05/22/2023 9:34:51 PM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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