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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Wrong. The Catholic Church built Western Civilization… somehow it just misfired here? Argentina is a major hub of Liberation Theology… Christian Socialism. The problem is the same in Argentina as it is everywhere else in the world… leftists.


20 posted on 05/18/2023 5:44:03 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

Western civilization started out in the levant and fertile crescent, then spread out to persia and greece and to rome, the later of which we tend to recognize the most because of how much of it’s literature survived. It was dominated by war and tyrants building empires that spread much like the plagues, but that along with trade was responsible for the cross influences of the cultures. I’m not anti-Catholic, I promise, but it’s hard to argue that it wasn’t at least partially responsible for the dark ages. I am also not pro ‘enlightenment’ or industry, but I think you can either credit the renaissance as the start of modern western culture, or at least was a symptom of it’s beginnings. In fact, for all it’s faults in ignorant/uneducated servantile populations and poor general health, there’s probably something to say for the bucolic life compared to where we are heading now... but I digress as I always worry about sounding a little too much Kascinski, but as someone who in youth embraced the leading edges of technology, I have grown disenchanted and the spell is broken. These are more likely to become chains on the people, not tools for freedom.

If by Western Civilization, you refer to the moral transformation caused by Christianity (something the Catholic church had a strong influence on), that is something I would not argue with, but that is something that has been on the slow decline for 500 years and quickly accelerating.


23 posted on 05/18/2023 6:01:46 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: pgyanke

No, the problem is catholicism which brings about the development of radicalism and rejection of God. Vietnam is a perfect example. I know it is so difficult to admit something you always believed was good is actually bad. That is a mental shock.


35 posted on 05/18/2023 8:58:13 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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