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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled What really killed COVID-19 patients: It wasn't a cytokine storm, suggests study (Secondary bacterial pneumonia from ventilators), gas_dr wrote:

RN. You just don’t have a foundational understanding. This study demonstrates cytokines storm is not a factor. This confirms what I and many other physicians who treated this in real time saw. I tried IVM and it didn’t work on several patients late in the course. I tried HCQ. No dice. IL - 6 inhibitors. Nada. I used very little redesivir. Totally worthless drug.

No - you didn't try any of these. You're not a doctor. Honest physicians created successful Covid protocols employing drugs like HCQ/AZ and Ivermectin, and they saved lives. Countries which employed those drugs fared better than those who withheld them.

Everyone was pushing IVM and HCQ because of their immunomodulation. I am stunned you don’t remember what you and your gang vociferously promulgated. It was all the take that early therapy with these drugs would quell immunological storm. You do know HCQ and IVM were trumpeted for their anti-inflammatory effects. You and the others couldn’t repeat it often enough.

My posts about Ivermecting and HCQ/AZ were based on proof they work as anti-virals, and I advocated taking them early or prophylactically before any such cytokine storm could be in play. I think you are distorting this to say statements doctor's made to us, telling us that cytokine storm killed, are false and those who advocated Iver or HCQ should be embarrassed. That's ridiculous - those two drugs helped people when doctors and hospitals refused to treat them, cytokine storm or no cytokine storm. I'm surprised you have no memory of all my posts/threads about the medical protocols in use killing patients.

So science being logic and reason would conclude that if cytokine storm really isn’t a factor than meds which reduce immunological activity such as cytokine storm which is run away activity are ineffective. This is exactly what we were seeing but you and your were fo busy calling us frauds and liars

That's your Strawman argument. In reality, I advocated Iver and HCQ on the basis of doctors who used them successfully, the reports friends gave me of using it successfully, countries which controlled Covid in their populations with those drugs, the history of Ivermectin re safety, President Trump's advocacy of HCQ, Dr. Zelenksy's successful protocol etc. I wasn't targeting cytokine storm - I thought that was very late stage. I wanted people to head it off and never get there. But of course the doctors were lying to us. Not my fault we have been betrayed.

PS: You are frauds and liars. Your posts always supported Fauci/CDC statements - for example when they were lying and saying it was a 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' you kept insisting 100% of your fake patient load was unvaccinated. That was exposed as the fraud that it was.

The truth is the matter is this. This is strong evidence that supports observational data and helps us understand where we went right and where we went wrong. Yours are the argument of someone who only is able to parrot other people’s beliefs while having no understanding or grounding of the science behind it or the scientific method at large.

Dr. Zelensky's stellar reputation, and that of others (e.g., Doctor Merrit, Frontline doctors etc.) meant that we Americans didn't have to stay home until our lips turned blue before going in to the hospital and dying of pneumonia on a ventilator. The 'thorough grounding' you speak of didn't keep patients alive if they fell into the hands of the hospitals, doctors, and the Covid protocol.

It is only logical and proper to then conclude that people on IVM who purportedly got better were destined to get better regardless of if IVM or HCQ were administered.

This is bizarre. The two are unrelated. You're comparing a hospital population late stage/ventillator with people who escaped the hospital route by treating at home, often early, but sometimes once perilously ill.

This data show you are wrong Or at lest Krisch and the rest of the renegades were wrong.

You don't understand the data you're throwing around.

Science is as much about understanding being incorrect as being correct. You cannot answer simple questions about your hypothesis. You shift stances on the drop of a hat and have little longitudinal consistency as is often the case with people not anchored on bedrock principles. It’s not that you are intentionally trying to promulgate deceit it’s just that you don’t know any better.

I'm not the one defending the CDC/Fauci talking points throughout the Covid pandemic, but you are. Perhaps by attacking FReepers you thought we'd forget how much deception you've employed to exaggerate the risks of Covid, downplay the dangers of the vax, and deny, deny, deny drugs like Ivermectin/HCQ help, along with denying the whole medical aspect of this attack on America, and AMericans.