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RN. You just don’t have a foundational understanding. This study demonstrates cytokines storm is not a factor. This confirms what I and many other physicians who treated this in real time saw. I tried IVM and it didn’t work on several patients late in the course. I tried HCQ. No dice. IL - 6 inhibitors. Nada. I used very little redesivir. Totally worthless drug.

Everyone was pushing IVM and HCQ because of their immunomodulation. I am stunned you don’t remember what you and your gang vociferously promulgated. It was all the take that early therapy with these drugs would quell immunological storm. You do know HCQ and IVM were trumpeted for their anti-inflammatory effects. You and the others couldn’t repeat it often enough.

So science being logic and reason would conclude that if cytokine storm really isn’t a factor than meds which reduce immunological activity such as cytokine storm which is run away activity are ineffective. This is exactly what we were seeing but you and your were fo busy calling us frauds and liars

The truth is the matter is this. This is strong evidence that supports observational data and helps us understand where we went right and where we went wrong. Yours are the argument of someone who only is able to parrot other people’s beliefs while having no understanding or grounding of the science behind it or the scientific method at large.

It is only logical and proper to then conclude that people on IVM who purportedly got better were destined to get better regardless of if IVM or HCQ were administered. This data show you are wrong Or at lest Krisch and the rest of the renegades were wrong. Science is as much about understanding being incorrect as being correct. You cannot answer simple questions about your hypothesis. You shift stances on the drop of a hat and have little longitudinal consistency as is often the case with people not anchored on bedrock principles. It’s not that you are intentionally trying to promulgate deceit it’s just that you don’t know any better.


83 posted on 05/08/2023 6:08:34 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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To: gas_dr
How come you only mention HCQ as a standalone treatment? Have you tried it as a zinc ionophore, taken in combination with zinc?

-PJ

87 posted on 05/08/2023 7:22:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: gas_dr
How come you only mention HCQ as a standalone treatment? Have you tried it as a zinc ionophore, taken in combination with zinc?

What do you make of the medical research papers discussed in these videos about HCQ and zinc?

Coronavirus Epidemic Update 32: Important Data from South Korea, Can Zinc Help Prevent COVID-19?

Coronavirus Epidemic Update 34: US Cases Surge, Chloroquine & Zinc Treatment Combo, Italy Lockdown

This one specifically discusses a paper studying the role of hydroxychloroquine in treating cytokine storms, as well as quercetin as a substitute for HCQ.

Coronavirus Pandemic Update 35: New Outbreaks & Travel Restrictions, Possible COVID-19 Treatments

-PJ

88 posted on 05/08/2023 7:36:19 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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