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To: marcusmaximus

Oh my. Seeing the words Russia and grain together, while at the same time Russia has once again entered Ukraine, I cannot help but think of the Great Soviet Terror Famine. In the early 1930’s the Soviets starved at least 10 million people. The Soviets did not just take all of the already harvested food. They took all the seeds, and and then they took all the animals, dogs, anything edible. Many in the Ukraine did not want to collectivise their farms. Ukraine was, and probably still could be, the breadbasket of Europe.

Besides the millions of Ukrainians that were starved, hundreds of thousands were forcibly relocated.

It is a great idea to watch the movie Mr Jones. It is a great depiction of a true story. Not just the Soviet Terror Famine, it also shows a very real person in history. Gareth Jones managed to physically visit the Ukraine in 1933, and witnessed first hand the insanity of collectivism. It also shows how evil Duranty and the New York Times were.


15 posted on 03/23/2023 2:34:16 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Good movie. Make sure to give Ukrainian Communists credit for some of the famine.


17 posted on 03/23/2023 2:40:41 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

I cannot help but think of the Great Soviet Terror Famine.==

Yeah a tragic history. BUT the famine wasn’t only in Ukraine. It was wide spread weather problem across UkSSR and RSFSR together. And also same years there was a famine in USA too.

So again it was a weather problem. Also the human losses in whole USSR was about 1 mln.

Compare it with a humen losses of post Soviet Ukraine. Ukraine 1991-52 mlns and 2021- about 26 mlns. They lost more than whole USSR in WW2(20 mlns). And it all was before our eyes just recently.


19 posted on 03/23/2023 2:44:31 PM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

One of the reasons they got rid of Khrushchev, was because of his disastrous ‘Virgin Lands’ program to try to grow crops in the frozen tundra. Shortages were so bad, there were even shortages of vodka in Russia, and that will get rid of someone faster than anything.


22 posted on 03/23/2023 2:55:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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