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Posted on 03/19/2023 9:31:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
“The Mexicans never had California. The Spanish did.”
The Spanish period ended in 1821 with the signing of the Treaty of Córdoba, which officially ended the Mexican War of Independence.
The Mexican period of the U.S. southwest lasted from 1821 until 1848. The First Mexican Republic (1824-1835) had difficulties maintaining control over the region after the Spanish left control. Sparsely populated and far from the economic and political center in Mexico City, the northern territories of Alta California, Santa Fe de Nuevo Mexico, and Tejas were now free to engage in economic exchange with American traders, a practice which had been barred under the Spanish Empire. This newfound freedom resulted in the development of strong economic and social ties between the economic elites of Tejas, Alta California, and the United States. Mexico’s Constitution of 1824 guaranteed the equality of all Mexicans regardless of race.
In California, residents also fought the American army. In 1847, Californios staged battles throughout Southern California against the American conquest, including the Battle of Los Angeles and the Battle of San Pasqual (present-day San Diego). The United States Navy, believing that cutting off supplies to the Californios would ensure their defeat, implemented blockades along the Pacific Coast and Gulf of Mexico. As a result of these actions, the Navy’s Pacific Squadron subsequently conquered Monterey, San Francisco, and San Diego, virtually guaranteeing victory for the U.S. in California. The U.S. and Mexico soon after entered negotiations for conditions of surrender.
So the Mexicans living in the California area chased the Spanish out of California and were ultimately taken over by the US through another war. The US has remained in control since, (kind of), by making all Mexican people living in the area citizens if white. This is why today Mexican people fall under the caucasian category for census because laws made during the original take over time frame by the US defined it that way. And those laws are specifically for Mexicans as the vast majority of landed Californios were subsistence farmers who based their livelihood on their small plots of land after the Spanish control left. In the southern coastal regions, business-ownership and manual labor were also common occupations for general Californios.
For the Indigenous peoples of California, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo’s failure to ensure full citizenship and protections had dire consequences. They were subjected to a systematic genocide, funded by the state of California. The California Genocide killed around 90% of California’s Native population during the early-American period, clearing the way for full-scale Anglo colonization. That was boosted with the discovery of gold in 1849 and the anglo population exploded and many deaths occurred with lawlessness and Mexican land being taken both legally and illegally.
wy69
What are you trying to say?
Thanks for the link. Like everyone else who drove past Zzyzx Rd., I wondered about it.
“History not withstanding Mexico has NO claim to any area of the US.”
I agree with that. The treaties, terms of surrender, and purchases have covered that and the Mexican reign in California was over prior to California being made a US state. However, the Mexicans that stayed were made citizens the same as the Europeans when they got here post the end of the revolutionary war.
“I despise that nation of parasites who seem to think we owe them something. We don’t and I’ll be damned if I ever look at some Mexican wetback as a US citizen.”
I’m sorry you have grouped a whole lot of people into the problems the government is using as a constant effort to separate people with their diversity B.S. The first in the area we now know as California were the American and Mexican Indians around 19K years ago. They intermixed and were there when the first of the European based people arrived. The EU group took the area away from them.
There has been a problem in the US in the terms of the assimilation of diversity. Too many cultures brought from people leaving that voluntarily has created now a crowd of acceptance. And as there is no recognized behavior other than law promoted by the government, I don’t see a foreseeable correction to the problem. We don’t even have a recognized official language in the US. Depending on where you are, groups like Africans, Mexicans, Irish, Jews, Chinese, Japanese are a few and almost all religions have been spotlighted somewhere in our past as major trespassers on our soil as opportunities and bias kicked in.
But that has changed over the last 100 years as the “we love everybody unconditionally” thought process has stumbled past the citizens. Immigrants are no longer expected to assimilate. The residing are expected to change their own morals and laws to alter a process so the immigrants are no longer expected to do. And that bothers people.
And as long as the voters continue to vote in politicians that are not interested in how our people live, and are only counting voters for themselves that they have to please, it will continue. And California is prime on that.
wy69
I do. That was a direct slap in the face to every American and waving that damned buzzard rag it tantamount to an act of war.
When I worked in construction and they were my competition, lowering wages for every working American and they fill up the emergency room of the hospital I work in.
No insurance and costing me, you and every other American taxpayer billions every year. I don't respect a nation of people who have no regard for my country's borders, it's laws or it's sovereignty. If Mexicans are so '' hard working, ''family oriented'' people than they need to take responsibility for their nation, the land God gave them and FIX IT!
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“That was a direct slap in the face to every American and waving that damned buzzard rag it tantamount to an act of war”
I’m sure you can come up with a lot of “marching” done by many different races, colors, or creeds in our history. Seems to me the fake indians that dumped the tea in the harbor in Boston weren’t a lot different than the marching you display.
My problems with people like that are that they are busy trying to have a say in their cultural awareness, that doesn’t exist anymore, and are trying to forcibly inject it into a society here that doesn’t want it. I have never watched a march that has successfully created a joining of a third world nation and improved the conditions using the other government’s theories. And we’ve even had supreme court justices admit they used other country’s laws in their determinations here. (Ginsberg did it)
I spent the first twenty years of my life living on a ranch in California that dealt with farm workers and the UFW. So the best way I can describe the “marches” is that they do it because they can. And who allows them...government (ours).
Immigration laws in many cases were allowed to be broken or bent and everyone from the Crips and Bloods to the Satanic Church in the US run by Anton McVey in the 60’s and 70’s was handed a free pass to go and given their $200. You want to stop the cultural fist fight going on? Do it at the border where it isn’t to this day being handled properly. If you let an animal like a wolf into your yard and invite him to be introduced to your chickens, then you will be counting piles of feathers. And it’s your fault.
wy69
Foreign nationals, in this case pugnacious illegal aliens from Mexico marching in my country and having NO right to do so infuriates me to no end
While we seem to be in some agreement I'm sorry but I have my convictions about this criminal, narco state, Mexico and it's decades long war of infiltration and out right hostility towards us and I will never reconcile that disgust.
Mexico is no friend to the US.
Mexico aligned with Germany during WW1. Also for several decades, the 2nd largest KGB base was in Mexico City. They had a huge array of antennas pointed northward.
Today it is hard to determine who actually runs Mexico, China or the cartels.
Of course last names don’t really tell the whole story. As any Tucsonan that remembers when the Ronstadts ran the town well know.
Yup. The infamous “Zimmerman Note’’.
“Mexico is no friend to the US.”
I am not in disagreement with you there. However, Mexico is a business partner with the US. So Uncle Sugar has used the court systems to “bend” the protection of our borders.
In decisions spanning more than a century, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Constitution’s guarantees apply to every person within U.S. borders, including “aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful.” On the other hand, the Court has said that when the federal government uses its broad powers to supervise immigration into this country, it can exercise those powers in ways that discriminate on the basis of “alienage.” In other words, the government has the power to decide who to let into the country and under what circumstances. But once here, even undocumented immigrants have the right to freedom of speech and religion, the right to be treated fairly, the right to privacy, and the other fundamental rights U.S. citizens enjoy.
Since immigrants don’t have the right to enter the U.S., those who are not here legally are subject to deportation depending upon government policy. There are over 10.5M in the US at any given time in todays headcount by the Pew working with the ACLU. And more are coming everyday because of the promise of greater success and not escape from a bad situation. After all, Mexico is an asylum country and they could get it there or here. So it has nothing to do with asylum. It has to do with a free ride.
“While we seem to be in some agreement...”
Only in that it is happening. You’re interested in stopping the vessels (people) that leave their tracks through force. I’m more interested in stopping those here that I feel are more destructive than the vessels, our government. If our government had stuck to the original rules of entry, we would not be near today’s problems. And I can’t figure out in my lack of intelligence why they do it when it accomplishes nothing but problems.
It is an obvious problem, no doubt. So why is our government turning its head? The only thing I can come up with is creating a voting base. And groups like the feds, state, ACLU, and many others are all part of the package. And it is simple to find:
https://impactful.ninja/best-charities-for-helping-undocumented-immigrants/
And that one is one of many you can choose from while you are resting from your trip across the border. Even the government busses them to hotels for no expense. I as a person or you, either, can’t stop them, the vote does. And if you look at how many presidents have taken an active stance to stopping it over the last 100 years, the only name that pops up is Trump. Do the math and you might wonder why they aren’t and what it gives them. Got to spend a nickel to get a dime in the world. Whether it’s your money or not.
wy69
“I’m not sorry for my opinion of Mexicans. Do you remember may 1, 2006 when thousands of Mexicans marched in the streets across America, waving their damned flag in our faces and yelling “Si Se Puedo’’, “Yes We Can’’. ?”
Ironically, in Mexico it’s against the law to wave the flag of another country during a demonstration. Also, they stole “Si se puedo” from Cesar Chavez, who was very much AGAINST illegal immigration.
I truly despise Mexico and they in turn hate us.
If this human garbage put half the energy into fixing their country that they do into actively destroying ours they just might someday have a country they wouldn't need to run away from.
You seem to go a long way to excusing or at least rationalizing Mexicans insults to America’s borders and it’s laws and sovereignty.At least as I see it. Perhaps I misunderstand you. My Irish ancestors never marched in any street waving the flag of Ireland and yelling ‘’Yes We Can’’
Nor have the Irish or Germans, Italians or Poles loudly stated they have ever intended to set up their version of an Irish, German, Italian or Polish “Aztlan’’ in America.
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