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Hydrogen conversion of ATR-72-600
1 posted on 03/04/2023 7:28:39 AM PST by volunbeer
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showing zero-emissions air travel could be on the horizon.


but it produces water vapor which “causes global warming”


2 posted on 03/04/2023 7:29:53 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Hydrogen must be separated from water using electrolysis. That requires energy. Where did the energy come from?


3 posted on 03/04/2023 7:31:54 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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Earlier version didn't work out too well


4 posted on 03/04/2023 7:35:15 AM PST by xp38
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Would not biologically produced alcohol do well at this?

Bio-alcohol is an ecologically closed system. Plants “collect” co2 from the atmosphere, it’s fermented into alcohol, and conventional engines burn it — like gasoline, but cleaner.

I would think the sheer weight of all the things needed for hydrogen fuel cells would be too heavy for efficient or long-range performance.

—Or, is ONLY 100% PERFECT ZERO CARBON emission the (politically correct) goal here? Is very LOW carbon emission not good enough?

Perfection is the enemy of practicality.


5 posted on 03/04/2023 7:39:32 AM PST by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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reaching an altitude of 3,500 MLS

What the hell is 3,500 MLS?

Was this article written by a chatbot?

7 posted on 03/04/2023 7:40:35 AM PST by norcal joe
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To: volunbeer

Where do you get the hydrogen?


8 posted on 03/04/2023 7:42:01 AM PST by fretzer
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15 minutes... Wow!


12 posted on 03/04/2023 7:45:59 AM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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MLS???


16 posted on 03/04/2023 7:48:00 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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Just a few thoughts on this.

Hydrogen as a fuel has a low BTU per pound value.

Hydrogen as a fuel must be carried in a pressure vessel.

The pressure vessel fuel container weighs much more than a petroleum based aircraft fuel container.

I don’t have any figures to quote but I would guess that the combination of a hydrogen fuel cell and the electric motor used to drive the propeller of this aircraft would weigh more than a typical aircraft engine.

When it come to aircraft extra weight equals slower airspeed and less range.

I don’t see hydrogen as a practical fuel for aircraft.


21 posted on 03/04/2023 7:54:30 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Too bad the only cost and energy competitive source for hydrogen is...

Natural Gas!

All the other sources require more BTUs of energy to isolate the hydrogen than the hydrogen itself can produce!

36 posted on 03/04/2023 8:08:41 AM PST by zeestephen (43,000)
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“3500 MLS”?

3500 (Miles?)

3500 (Multiple Listing System?)

Is there an Editor in the house? Hello?


52 posted on 03/04/2023 8:25:31 AM PST by Afterguard
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To produce hydrogen, one must use a lot of energy. Some, but not all, of that energy is gotten back when the hydrogen is burned.

When they say “zero emissions air travel” they are deliberately lying. {obvious} The energy required to produce hydrogen is not “zero emissions.”

Water vapor is the #1 greenhouse gas.

I’m betting they haven’t thought about this: Hydrogen is stored in tanks under pressure. That’s a big enough problem at sea level. But when you go up to 30,000 feet, the air pressure is lower. The difference in pressure is greater. I don’t have to be a physicist to know that the problem of storing hydrogen in a plane in flight is greater than at sea level.

I know the “scientists” are poo pooing what I just said. I hope I don’t witness the first explosion and crash.


56 posted on 03/04/2023 8:28:42 AM PST by I want the USA back (News media and democrats are pond scum. My pronouns: Haha, heehee, hoho, hoo hoo. )
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And how much will a plane ticket cost?


66 posted on 03/04/2023 9:07:25 AM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Disadvantages of hydrogen energy

Hydrogen is volatile

Because of its high energy content, hydrogen gas is a highly flammable and volatile substance which makes it a risky fuel to work with.

Hydrogen energy is expensive to produce

Both steam-methane reforming and electrolysis are expensive processes which prevents a lot of countries from committing to mass production. Research and trials are in process to try and discover a cheap and sustainable way to produce enough hydrogen without contributing more carbon into the atmosphere.

Hydrogen energy is difficult to store

Hydrogen is a much lighter gas than gasoline which makes it difficult to store and transport. To be able to store it we need to compress it into a liquid and store it at a low temperature. The high amounts of pressure needed to store hydrogen makes it a difficult fuel to transport in large quantities.

Hydrogen can be dangerous

Hydrogen is incredibly flammable which makes it a dangerous fuel if not handled correctly. There is also no smell to hydrogen so sensors are required to detect leaks.
Making hydrogen can produce carbon

There are many ways of making hydrogen. And some of the produce carbon.


68 posted on 03/04/2023 9:11:56 AM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Good deal but I would nix the name of it Lightning McClean
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73 posted on 03/04/2023 9:36:49 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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Moses Lake / Grant County Airport was site of first electric-powered commuter aircraft flight also.


82 posted on 03/04/2023 11:18:13 AM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carceremâ„¢)
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First hydrogen-powered airplane takes flight....

Should be named The Hindenburg II.

85 posted on 03/04/2023 11:52:16 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Ultra MAGA in Biden's Post Constitutional United Socialist States of Amerika!)
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reaching an altitude of 3,500 MLS

"MLS"??? The ignorance of "reporters" is boundless.

97 posted on 03/04/2023 6:17:44 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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