Posted on 02/24/2023 4:19:45 AM PST by MtnClimber
Bingo
Actually they are better batteries. I'm 100% against the Dims forcing EV's onto people. But to say EV batteries aren't better than they use to be is ignoring the obvious improvements and makes our arguments sound like their full of lies like the arguments Dims make. My EV gets about 200 miles driving highway speeds while keeping the charge range between the recommended low (15%) to the recommended high (80%). And it charges from that low to high in 10-15 minutes at the fast chargers. Obviously the battery tech has improved greatly compared to just 5 or 10 years ago.
But the best way to reduce price is to get rid of the tax incentives and mandates. Government messes up EV's like they mess up everything else government "helps". The tax incentives artificially inflate prices. As does the promised mandates (which are always in the future, but that's another topic). The same with chargers. Let the free market set up chargers -- there's money for entrepreneurs to make from it if the government would quit threatening to set up government chargers.
If you were an entrepreneur thinking about setting up a charger to make money (especially if you had an already existing consumer establishment like a store or restaurant for EV owners to spend money in while they also spend money charging), the main drawback would be worrying about the next Volkswagen settlement creating Electrify America 350kW chargers just a mile away from your new charger, with many EA customers getting free charging for a year or two after purchasing an EV. Stuff like that is suppressing chargers from springing up in many places like gas stations did after ICE cars became a thing.
In a free market for both car types and energy sources there's enough rare-earths in the U.S. for the few people who'd buy EV's willingly, and enough oil for the ICE car drivers (of which I'm one too). Prices for cars would be down and energy to drive them would be down. Government messing up the free market is the enemy to both types of car owners. Unfortunately, most EV owners don't see that. They see the government as the only possible savior against an ICE generated warmageddon.
Electric Vehicles will be part of the total as determined by the Market. No other company can compete with Tesla. At Present world wide Tesla is making a new vehicle every 40 seconds. All of the EV producers out side of China together can’t do that.
The competition is going to be between Tesla EV’s and Toyota Hybrids. All of the other companies out side China will be on lookers trying to keep up.
The hoopla about all EV’s is a crude effort to draw a salary for a few published words
Depends on the trip. Leaving Alabama and going to different parts of Texas are example trips like you describe where there are few charging stations and it's best to take my ICE pickup. But driving from Alabama all the way up into the New England states are routes with many fast chargers to make stopping to charge easy breezy. Especially if my wife is with me and wants to stop every 200 miles or so anyway to walk around and stretch her legs. Thus, a 15 minute charging stop every 200 miles, on a trip with my wife with me in that direction is a good example for taking our EV.
But no trips in the EV to the northeast in the winter. LOL
Depending on your situation, if you're married and need 2 cars anyway, having both an EV and an ICE car might work as well for you as it does for us. Instead of it being a mutually exclusive decision like the Dims make car types (and everything else for that matter), why not have one of each and have the best of both worlds?
By the way, that's the basis for just about all political arguments in the U.S. The Dims frame just about everything as mutual exclusive decisions. They demand we go all in either one way or the other when sometimes the best solution for a family is a combination of options.
"Wall Connector is compatible with Model S, Model 3, Model X and Model Y and is capable of providing up to 44 miles of range per hour of charge, with up to 11.5 kW / 48 amp output, depending on model."
Can you imagine having to pump gasoline for an HOUR, to get 2 gallons of gas (~44 miles, if you've got an SUV or similar)? Also, nut sure how the Tesla Wall Connector is a faster charger than the 240-volt home power outlet, since the wall charger is also 240 volts. But then, I am not an electrician, and for some reason, I can never seem to wrap my head around that whole water analogy to understand volts/watts/amps.
Flaming wrecks everywhere
Exactly, I think an EV and ICE car is the way to go for households that can afford more than one car. Best of both worlds. For households that can only afford one car, ICE is still the best bet.
Oh, I see. You need a 60-amp circuit to get 44 miles per hour of charge. So you’ll need to get a 60-amp circuit installed, because a 20-amp will only get you 12-15 miles per hour of charge. I’d love to see what running flat-out on a 60-amp circuit for 8-10 hours every night does to your electric bill. Actually, I wouldn’t, which is one of the many reasons I’ll never buy an EV.
What kind of torque rush do you get when it is plugged in for hours on end?
I think that's one of the points to the article. If private enterprise saw the potential demand for an infrastructure and services to power EVs, it would be in place and working in very little time.
If such infrastructure and services require government subsidies and "investments," they will arrive in spurts (more infrastructure bills coming through Congress?) and lulls--EV charging stations in many areas will either lie dormant, or they'll eventually break down and become unreliable. The EV "revolution" will never happen if left to government dependency.
Hydrogen? That’s a howler.
Even though it’s a great rocket fuel, handling and storing it is such a hassle that Elon Musk passed it over for methane.
The reasons for winding up with ICE vehicles running on gasoline and diesel have not changed, nor have physics and chemistry.
Switching to something else is a climb up a greasy pole.
Also keep in mind that a 60-amp circuit with both legs (240v) is potentially 4x the current draw of a 110v 30-amp circuit (twice the amps on twice the number of feeder lines).
This is something I've been saying for a while. If government were truly serious about leading an EV revolution, they would open up permits for additional nuclear plants. That's the only "clean" energy that could reliably produce enough power to support all the EV cars on the road.
I have never had an EV so I can only imagine it would be like waiting in line at the driver's license office...every day.
You can always spend $120,000 restoring that 1964 Chevrolet Impala.
Kakistocracy...?
Isaiah Chapter 3:1-5
1 For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water,
2 The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,
3 The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.
4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
5 And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.
Your statement is why a Plug in Hybrid seems to make the most sense to me. A current example of that is the Toyota Rav4 Prime.
It has an EV battery that allows about 40 miles. Perfect for running to the grocery store and back. However, IF that errand trip turns out to be 50 miles the car switches over to the 4 cylinder engine. This engine also operates as a hybrid with the brakes recharging the battery system every time you come to a stop.
That will take some major advances in technology. So far, EVs as a whole just suck.
I’ve been seeing more Teslas around metro Atlanta lately but by more I’m talking 3-4.
But if you live in the southern half of the U.S., are married and need 2 cars anyway, and one of your 2 cars is on its last legs and needs replacing soon anyway (as my wife's was last year), and your power rates are relatively cheap, then an EV is worth at least considering.
And since I just said EV's are worth considering for southerners, that's also a good region to consider solar to make yourself more energy independent. On my most recent bill for February (read: bad month for solar because it's winter which is bad for solar) I pulled 594 kWh from the grid. However in the February 2021 bill (the most recent February before I went solar) I pulled 801 kWh from the grid. Thus in the past 2 years I've lowered my grid pull even though I've gotten rid of my large natural gas bill (by making my house all electric in fall 2021) and most of my costs for gasoline at the pump (by doing most of our driving in the EV since summer 2022). Those two things would normally greatly increase my power demand making this February's bill a lot more than February 2 years ago. But the solar system (installed in May 2021 as a trial run then added onto in August 2022) provided 1,182 kWh of free power on this February's bill.
Until a fellow conservative figures out a way for each of us to drill our own natural gas or oil or mine or own coal, probably the best way for us southerners to insulate ourselves from the effects of the Dims trying to control us with energy is to use decentralized solar. It's not perfect, but it gives my family some buffer between us and the Dims' stupid energy policies making their energy less dependable and much more costly. By doing most of our driving in the EV, the energy freedom from our solar is extended into freedom of transportation as well (at least for round trips no longer than 200 or so miles).
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