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ChatGPT cheating scandal erupts inside elite program at Florida high school
NY Post ^ | February 16, 2023 4:16pm | By Selim Algar

Posted on 02/17/2023 11:23:39 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

I asked Chat GPT the following:

“Why it is important to be a Constitutional Conservative.”

Interesting answer:

why it is important to be a constitutional conservative
Being a constitutional conservative means that one believes in upholding the principles and values of the United States Constitution, such as limited government, individual liberty, and the rule of law. Here are some reasons why it is important to be a constitutional conservative:

Preservation of Liberty: The Constitution was designed to protect the rights and freedoms of individuals, and constitutional conservatives believe in the importance of preserving these rights. By adhering to the principles of limited government and individual liberty, constitutional conservatives aim to prevent government overreach and protect the freedoms of citizens.

Stability and Order: The Constitution provides a framework for the government to operate within, and constitutional conservatives believe in maintaining that framework to ensure stability and order. By following the rule of law and adhering to the principles of the Constitution, constitutional conservatives aim to prevent chaos and maintain a stable society.

Respect for the Founding Fathers’ Vision: The United States Constitution was crafted by the country’s founding fathers, who sought to create a government that protected individual liberty and prevented tyranny. Constitutional conservatives believe in respecting the vision of the founding fathers by upholding the principles and values enshrined in the Constitution.

Accountability of Government: The Constitution establishes a system of checks and balances, with the three branches of government serving to hold each other accountable. Constitutional conservatives believe in maintaining this system to ensure that no one branch of government becomes too powerful and that the government remains accountable to the people.

Overall, being a constitutional conservative means valuing the principles and values that have made America the country it is today. By upholding these principles, constitutional conservatives aim to preserve individual liberty, maintain stability and order, respect the founding fathers’ vision, and hold the government accountable.

The above took it 1 minute, 21 seconds to generate. I find most of it very difficult to argue with.


41 posted on 02/17/2023 2:04:10 PM PST by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Bwahahahah! Sounds like my upbringing. With the addition of a Guinness book of world records.

And a dictionary never far away.


42 posted on 02/17/2023 2:18:04 PM PST by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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To: Red Badger

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s cut and paste from ChatGPT.


43 posted on 02/17/2023 2:23:39 PM PST by sergeantdave (AI is the next iteration of a copy and paste machine.)
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To: Republican in occupied CA

Oh yeah, the GBWR was a staple reference too, and we had an enormous unabridged dictionary on a stand in the dining room as well.


44 posted on 02/17/2023 2:28:30 PM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Waverunner

You beat me to posting something contrarian. It’s not surprising that you worked your way up to the top.

If I were running a business, and needed a particular topic researched and presented ASAP for practical use, would I rather pay an employee for hundreds of hours of doing it all themselves, or one hour using online resources? It’s a no brainer that this “elite educational program” is actually teaching students to use methods that for many situations will be obsolete and inefficient.

If the school’s purpose is to develope students’ discipline and capabilities for doing secondary research, organizing the results for some purpose or thesis, and presenting it competently in prose, graphics, video, audio, code, or whatever, then the students should not be allowed to use systems that do the work. The students might really learn something if the school first assigned the project as strictly “old-fashioned research/write-it-yourself”, then once that was complete, have the students tackle the same projects using AI and other programs. Then compare the results and draw lessons.


45 posted on 02/17/2023 2:49:59 PM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Red Badger

Yes just when you think dumbing down couldn’t get any worse.

Doctor enters room with screw driver and duct tap.............


46 posted on 02/17/2023 2:50:51 PM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: Red Badger

They can’t ban it. NYC schools did but all that means is that richer kids who have their own computers at home can use it, while poorer kids can’t.

They can’t stop it. Kids can rewrite it in their own words. They could even give it samples of their own writing and ask it to rewrite the paper in their own style. Less grammatical and spelling errors of course.

I’m advising my daughter who teaches history to embrace it. And teach her students how to use it to learn faster and better.


47 posted on 02/17/2023 3:11:23 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

One of the reasons I advocate more oral exams. You cannot fake your way out of those.


48 posted on 02/17/2023 3:12:25 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Bob434
can chatgpt do math? Some schools, noone is able to do math apparently-

When my ex-girlfriend's son was around 10, I walked in while he was doing homework.

Heard him say; "Siri, what is 455 divided by 33, or whatever the question was. I asked him if the teacher knew he was doing this and he said sure, all the kids do it. Teacher is fine with it.

Shook my head and let his mom know he might not be actually learning math. We weren't living together so I don't know how she handled it. He is going to 'Ol Miss now so...

49 posted on 02/17/2023 3:31:46 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: dfwgator

I think essay work is where educators are most hung up about GPT.

They’re supposed to make you think and learn how to organize your thoughts.

Using GPT is going to reduce the amount of practice students get doing that. On the other hand, it’s going to provide some excellent well structured and formatted examples.


50 posted on 02/17/2023 3:34:55 PM PST by DannyTN
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“[Essays are] supposed to make you think and learn how to organize your thoughts.”

Learning to write Chat GPT prompts effectively will help students think and organize their thoughts.


51 posted on 02/17/2023 3:44:44 PM PST by unlearner (RIP America. July 4, 1776 - December 13, 2022. )
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To: Red Badger

Neither of my dear parents went to college; but they bought my sibs and I not one, but two encyclopedias, and subscribed to an educational book series for us. We were not allowed to even read Classic Comics. They drove us to the local library every week. God bless them where they are.


52 posted on 02/17/2023 4:27:24 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("There is no good government at all & none possible."--Mark Twain)
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To: unlearner
"Learning to write Chat GPT prompts effectively will help students think and organize their thoughts."

True

53 posted on 02/17/2023 4:28:44 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: TangoLimaSierra

sheesh- that’s sad- they will never learn doing that- working it out themselves it woudl stick with them- gettign an answer from siri they will never learn-


54 posted on 02/17/2023 7:48:25 PM PST by Bob434
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

[[That was always my trouble with encyclopedias. I’d look up whatever I was after, then get sidetracked for quite a while reading other entries.]]

YUP- my problem exactly- lol


55 posted on 02/17/2023 7:50:04 PM PST by Bob434
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To: steve86

it’s no wonder kids aren’t learning anything- some schools, not 1 kid is able to do math i guess- asking a computer program to do the problem for them isn’t learning- it is just repeating what something else worked out for them- I struggled with math, well algebra actually- took me 2 years to get through pre algebra- , but i could still do basic math myself- kids today just say “I don’t need to know the answer or how it’s done- i can just google it”


56 posted on 02/17/2023 7:54:14 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

“kids today just say “I don’t need to know the answer or how it’s done- i can just google it”

That’s true.

I don’t have any great math ability either although my brother was a mathematical physicist. But I still find the topic interesting and do follow it even if I can’t work through the advanced math. But ChatGPG can except for extremely specialized stuff. I gave it a linear algebra problem today and it zipped through in 0.2 seconds. Once I can formulate a problem correctly I’ll test it on a quadratic programming /optimization problem like my brother used to do. I have to learn the Lagrangian techniques first.


57 posted on 02/17/2023 8:22:05 PM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: steve86

So how do they know if the answer is correct or not?

I always say that the purpose of getting an education is to develop a good “BS Meter”.


58 posted on 02/17/2023 8:23:52 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: steve86

lol- most of what you said went right over my head- Algaquadratic what? lol :)

I suppose though something like ChatGPT or siri or whatever ‘could be’ useful if the person wants to really figure what the answer is and then try to figure out how a problem was solved- or asks chatgpt or whatever how it is solved-


59 posted on 02/17/2023 8:28:49 PM PST by Bob434
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To: dfwgator

Well, as I was saying in another comment on one of these threads, it just has to be that the chat bots call on external math libraries to do these computations. A unique, new math problem could not be answered with the predictive language approach. If I’m wrong about that ...WOW!


60 posted on 02/17/2023 8:32:03 PM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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