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Ammunition running out but 'no new money' for defence despite war in Ukraine, sources say
Sky news ^ | 02/06/2023 | Deborah Haynes

Posted on 02/06/2023 7:08:51 PM PST by MarMema

Defence sources warn Britain will be unable "credibly" to offer as many troops as NATO allies would expect to a major new force structure being drawn up by the alliance to bolster its defences.

At the same time, the sources said a "refresh" of UK defence policy - that was meant to inform the spending plans of Chancellor Jeremy Hunt and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak - could be delayed until after the March budget because an initial draft failed to reflect sufficiently the transformed security environment in Europe, where a land war is raging.

"It is not very joined up government," according to one source, who was speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

The comments came after Sky News last week revealed that a senior US general had told Defence Secretary Ben Wallace that the British Army is no longer regarded as a top level, or "tier one", fighting force following decades of cuts to its size and strength.

Now, defence sources are warning that Britain will be unable "credibly" to offer as many troops as NATO allies would expect to a major new force structure that is being drawn up by the alliance to bolster its defences in response to the war in Ukraine.

This would only change if Mr Sunak accelerated plans to fix the army's decline, they said.

A senior European diplomatic source confirmed that the UK "is under-delivering".

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bidenforeignpolicy; chicomslaughing; manchurianjoe; ukrainerussia
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"...as many troops as NATO allies would expect to a major new force structure being drawn up by the alliance to bolster its defences."

Is this a prelude to NATO troops for Ukraine?

1 posted on 02/06/2023 7:08:51 PM PST by MarMema
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Let’s not start WWIII over some breakaway provinces in Ukraine.

We have other problems to contend with...our own border perhaps?

The fact that the cartels control the northern border, not the Mexican government?

The fact an opium war (fentanyl) is being imposed on us by China?


2 posted on 02/06/2023 7:15:19 PM PST by packagingguy
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To: MarMema

The Russia uke war has revealed that western Europe hasn’t trained or manufactured war hardware the last 50 yrs.


3 posted on 02/06/2023 7:21:58 PM PST by lurk (u)
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“Let’s not start WWIII over some breakaway provinces in Ukraine.”

Well, if the Brits do try starting a land war in Europe against Russia, they’ll likely be out of ammunition within a week - thereby preventing escalation. So one part they did get right: If they cannot control their ABJECT HATRED towards Russia, at least they won’t fund that sickness.


4 posted on 02/06/2023 7:29:12 PM PST by BobL
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The Russia uke war has revealed that western Europe hasn’t trained or manufactured war hardware the last 50 yrs.

No need to. The Americans will protect them. Seriously though, the Poles seem to have it together. And the French. They've been busy in Africa. That's probably it.

5 posted on 02/06/2023 7:29:19 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MarMema

Maybe they could save a few pennies by dumping the royals and putting it over to defense.

Gingersnap has made a mockery of monarchy and Charles is weak.


6 posted on 02/06/2023 7:33:34 PM PST by Irenic
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To: MarMema

If they can’t whip the Russians they can certainly mangle the English language.

[even without the help of Merlot]


7 posted on 02/06/2023 7:44:35 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: MinorityRepublican
Seriously though, the Poles seem to have it together.

The Poles like to joke about themselves - we look for enemies next door, and friends far away.

8 posted on 02/06/2023 7:50:26 PM PST by PGR88 (, )
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Where there are two Poles, there are three opinions.


9 posted on 02/06/2023 7:56:38 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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The Poles like to joke about themselves - we look for enemies next door, and friends far away.

They have to. They're in a rough neighborhood. America is lucky. Canada up north. Oceans to the east and the west. Mexico down south. People complain about Mexicans. Sure they get in some trouble. But they're a weak neighbor and we've been the colossus next door their entire existence.

10 posted on 02/06/2023 7:57:05 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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We are not lucky to have Mexico to our south. In some ways I’d rather have Russia on our southern border than Mexico. At least Russia would be funneling million inot out cpontry per year. WE ARE BEING INVADED.


11 posted on 02/06/2023 7:59:31 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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In some ways I’d rather have Russia on our southern border than Mexico.

Not me. I wouldn't want to live under the Tsars or the Communists. We need to do something about our borders but our President is not doing anything about it. I don't live in a border state. Maybe it's different if you live somewhere like El Paso then it's a serious problem.

12 posted on 02/06/2023 8:04:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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I can’t believe you posted that. Mexico is heating up.
Congress is looking at a bill to allow US troops to enter Mexico.


13 posted on 02/06/2023 8:05:30 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: MinorityRepublican
R U Kidding. The border and demographics are everything. We stop it now or it is ball game. We need Trump back.


14 posted on 02/06/2023 8:08:27 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Russians don’t live under Tsars or Communists, but a lot of freepers haven’t moved forward for 30 years.
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


15 posted on 02/06/2023 8:08:44 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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How long before this starts impacting civilian ammo price and availability?


16 posted on 02/06/2023 8:21:14 PM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: MarMema

Putin rules like a Tsar.

17 posted on 02/06/2023 8:22:39 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Putin rules like a Tsar.

And then came 1917.

18 posted on 02/06/2023 8:25:20 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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And then came 1917.

We'll find out after the upcoming offensive by the Russians. Putin's all in.

19 posted on 02/06/2023 8:27:27 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

From your western view.


20 posted on 02/06/2023 8:30:12 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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