That is quite possibly the DUMBEST thing you've ever said, Dogway. By its very nature, you would NEVER see illness, hospitalizations, or death prevented by vaccinnes.
Would you like to rephrase that?
Posted on 01/21/2023 7:42:48 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski
LOL - you have to do better than that.
I have always advised people to do their own reset and make the best decision for them given the available data points.
I don’t push the vaccines, nor tell people to not get vaccinated.
your posting history proves otherwise...
We is us, you and me, the general public.
It is possible that other factors, such as pre-existing medical conditions or behavior, may be contributing to the higher hospitalization rates in unvaccinated individuals.
That would only be relevant if people with those conditions or behaviors were less likely to get vaccinated.
Additionally, the study’s findings that vaccinated individuals were still at a high risk of severe outcomes despite vaccination and that there was no clear difference in the risk for ICU admission or in-hospital death between vaccinated and unvaccinated persons raises concerns about the efficacy of the vaccine.
We were talking about reducing the risk of hospitalization and death.
Further detailed analyses examining clinical presentation and outcomes are needed before drawing definitive conclusions about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines in preventing hospitalizations.
What do clinical presentation and outcome have to do with it?
Covid patients were either hospitalized or not. Are you suggesting vaccinated and unvaccinated patients present differently?
And outcomes are post-hospitalization.
...the prevalence of different variants of the virus, could also have contributed to the observed trends.
Do you mean the vaccine advantage may vary dependent upon the variant? Quite possible that that effect is showing up in the numbers. So what? The advantage is still there through the various variants.
The items 1, 2, and 5 are data from the CDC, which may have limitations in its reporting system, therefore the numbers provided in items 1, 2, and 5 should be taken with a grain of caution.
I can provide dozens and dozens of similar reports from healthcare systems all over the world. You're free to ignore the evidence but don't pretend it isn't there.
BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!
PT Barnum was right. You’re another deluded soul who actually believes and trusts the government and their propaganda.
And we see the fear porn used to push people into trying an experimental injection with NO safety track record.
You cannot even begin to pretend that this injection haw undergone the usual safety trials.
Show us the 5-10 year safety data for this vax that nis supposed to be done in order to verify this so-called vax is indeed safe.
Effective, we know it’s not. It doesn’t stop the illness, don’t stop transmission, doesn’t stop hospitalizations, and doesn’t stop deaths.
Then only claim left for the Deep State to use is that somehow it causes you to get less sick if you do catch Covid, and even that is open to debate because it cannot be proved and so considering how the CDC, the government, and big pharma have lied to us in the past, they have set precedent that gives us no reason to believe that claim either.
I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
No thanks. Help like our government gives, we don’t need.
Specifics? Or otherwise you’re just jackassin’.
Even with their stated goals of population reduction?
If the government isn't out to try to kill us, then why is it that virtually everything they do, works towards that outcome?
I agree with the rest of your post, but in this point, you need to reconsider just how much the government has your best interests at heart.
I think the government is a tool or a marionette. Someone or group is pulling the stings. They definitely want to move us to fro-feudal system that cannot be obtained when someone or something could amass a billion man army against it. So the question is not if the government but who above that. My personal opinion to that question is answered in my last sentence.
That is quite possibly the DUMBEST thing you've ever said, Dogway. By its very nature, you would NEVER see illness, hospitalizations, or death prevented by vaccinnes.
Would you like to rephrase that?
No he doesn't, Furry. You're easy peezy. You just need to be constantly called out on your morally superior, 'better than everybody else' attitude. You sit around actin' like you're above it all while passing judgement on everybody without taking a stand of your own..
Nobody likes you, Furry.
I don’t push the vaccines, nor tell people to not get vaccinated.
And yet your constant so-called 'debunkery' of EVERY SINGLE criticism of the poison fake vax effectually lends aid and comfort to the enemy (deep state government vax psyop) and encourages vax pimping. So you can shut your mouth with that bushido right about now.
No you can't, government man.
And tell me this. Why would anybody POSSIBBLY trust or believe one word that comes out filtered through your lying government lips? Riddle me that, Vaxman, if you dare.
“We is us, you and me, the general public.”
I am sure you do not speak for me or other members of the Free Republic.
“I can provide dozens and dozens of similar reports from healthcare systems all over the world. You’re free to ignore the evidence but don’t pretend it isn’t there.”
Your last statement does not make any sense if you do not understand why clinical presentation and outcome is important. Don’t pretend proper clinical and presentation is not important.
“What do clinical presentation and outcome have to do with it?”
Clinical presentation and outcome are important in making decisions about vaccine effectiveness because they provide a more complete picture of how the vaccines are impacting the population. Clinical presentation refers to the symptoms and characteristics of a disease in an individual patient. Outcomes refer to the end result of a disease or treatment, such as hospitalization or death. By looking at both the clinical presentation and outcome in a group of patients, researchers and healthcare professionals can better understand the overall effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and hospitalization. Additionally, by looking at how the vaccines impact different subpopulations (e.g. elderly, immunocompromised), we can identify any potential disparities in vaccine effectiveness or safety concerns: then take steps to address them.
I am seeking more information on the clinical presentation and outcomes of the vaccine to ensure its safety. Is it unreasonable for me to want this information before making a decision about vaccination?
Given that the experts of the government have controversial views on gender identity, is it reasonable to question their ability to make sound decisions about the safety of a vaccine?
A lot of the vaccine safety data is coming from the same goverment experts.
Given that these experts may believe in concepts that are not supported by common sense, should we question their judgment in ensuring the safety of a vaccine?
Is it reasonable not to trust a government with a history of poor financial management to effectively manage the safety, distribution and administration of the vaccine?
Feel free go ahead and trust those goverement experts, I will not.
Thank you, I will review those reports.
I'm not speaking for anyone but myself but since I know you have internet access I know you have access to this data.
I have access and you have access, so we have access. QED
By looking at both the clinical presentation and outcome in a group of patients, researchers and healthcare professionals can better understand the overall effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and hospitalization.
We already have the data on effectiveness in preventing hospitalization. If we didn't have the data we may have to rely on your presentation data, but we do.
Regardless of the presentation we know the outcome - hospitalization, death or both.
Is it unreasonable for me to want this information before making a decision about vaccination?
Not at all. Do your research and make your choice.
Given that the experts of the government have controversial views on gender identity, is it reasonable to question their ability to make sound decisions about the safety of a vaccine?
Amazing. That's the most strained anti-vax rationalization I've ever heard.
We were discussing Covid hospitalization rates.
“We were discussing Covid hospitalization rates.”
Just responding to this:
“Amazing. That’s the most strained anti-vax rationalization I’ve ever heard.”
Do you trust Anthony Fauci on the vaccine safety and effectiveness when he is authorizing studies how to create transgender monkeys?
I don’t trust or distrust Fauci because he’s not the one doing the research.
And according to the article you linked he wasn’t trying to create transgender monkeys, either.
“We were discussing Covid hospitalization rates.”
Returning to the topic of COVID-19 hospitalization data, it is important to note that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) are responsible for collecting and reporting this data. Dr. Anthony Fauci, as a key member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), works closely with these agencies to coordinate the U.S. government’s response to the pandemic and provides guidance and recommendations on how to respond to the pandemic, including support and funding to other organizations to help them collect and report COVID-19 hospitalization data.
Should I trust the data collected by the CDC with a person like Dr. Fauci influencing the data collection points with funding?
You can trust Dr. Fauci and other government experts if you would like.
Luckily for you it’s a moot question because Fauci’s retired.
And he never had anything to do with CDC funding.
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