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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“Russia withdrew their forces from Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, as required by Clause 2 of Minsk 2 agreement.”

No, it didn’t. It also didn’t pull out its heavy weaponry, as required. Hell, Russia even argued that it was not an involved party and thus was not required to abide by the Agreements!

Here is a summary of the Agreements, with various footnotes and references. Those especially are well worth reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

Bottom line: The Minsk Agreements were flawed from the get-go, and NO ONE fully complied with them, and pointed fingers as to why they didn’t.

The Minsk Agreements were not worth the paper they were written on, and everyone knew it. But that’s what happens when parties rush to get something done, JUST TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

The bottom line, Russia should have stayed the hell out of Ukraine’s internal issues, because Russia was NOT an impartial player, especially after it had invaded and illegally annexed Crimea BEFORE either of the Minsk agreements were even drafted.


58 posted on 01/17/2023 2:34:36 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
No, it didn’t. It also didn’t pull out its heavy weaponry, as required.

By the time of the first ceasefire in September 2015, Russia had withdrawn all line units from Donetsk and Luhansk, leaving behind advisors, contractors, and some special forces. In fact, all light engagements and heavy fighting in these areas from 2016 to 2021 were between the Ukraine army and the DPR and LPR militias. There is no record of direct conflict between Ukrainian and Russian forces during this period.

As for the heavy equipment, neither the Ukrainians nor the DPR and LPR removed their heavy equipment from the agreed-upon 30 km demilitarized zone.

67 posted on 01/17/2023 3:38:43 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: ought-six

bttt


90 posted on 01/19/2023 12:14:37 AM PST by linMcHlp
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