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When Federal Interest Payments Come To Exceed the Military Budget: Time to Stop Defending the Rest of the World
Cato Institute ^ | Jan. 6, 2023 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 01/14/2023 12:23:33 PM PST by MarMema

A new year dawns bright, with the US hurtling over the fiscal cliff. The lame duck Congress voted for a pork‐​packed $1.7 trillion budget bill. As the saying goes, it’s only money!

At a time of enormous domestic need, Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell pushed an extra $45 billion for Ukraine, declaring that Washington’s “number one priority” was supporting that nation. Kentuckians might wonder if their Senator had moved to Odesa, Kharkiv, or Lviv over the holidays.

Alas, this appropriation was small change compared to the overall “defense” (in fact, mostly for offensive operations) budget. Congress hiked military outlays to record levels, topping off the already‐​bloated Biden spending program at $858 billion. American taxpayers remain stuck subsidizing prosperous, populous Europeans, superfluous Middle Eastern monarchs, and cheap‐​riding Asian defense dependents.

The US economy no longer can sustain a policy of endless war.

Unwilling to raise taxes as it also shovels ever‐​more cash into social programs old and new, Congress simply borrows additional money as if loans need not be repaid. The publicly held national debt hit 100 percent of GDP and is heading toward the record of 106 percent set in 1946, at the conclusion of the worst war in human history. Within a decade the US faces trillion‐​dollar deficits for as far as government analysts can budget. By mid‐​century the Congressional Budget Office expects the debt/​GDP ratio to run around 185 percent. And that assumes policymakers don’t do anything stupid, like approve massive new spending programs without paying for them. Which, unfortunately, is as certain as the rising of the sun.

Endless borrowing isn’t cheap. Over the last decade interest payments as a share of GDP jumped about a quarter. And the era of (almost) free money is over as the Federal Reserve pushes up rates to wring inflation out of the economy. The budget agency’s estimates are daunting: “Combined with rising interest rates, large and sustained primary deficits cause net interest outlays measured as a percentage of GDP to more than quadruple over the period: They rise from 1.6 percent of GDP in 2022 to 7.2 percent in 2052.”

Last year the Washington Post’s Allan Sloan considered the increased cost for just 2022: “Total interest payments on the government’s debt could come in at nearly $580 billion this fiscal year, up from $399 billion in recently‐​completed fiscal 2022.” It will get much worse in the future. The Townsend Group’s Red Jahncke warned, accounting for the enormous amount of federal debt currently held by the Fed: “Total federal gross interest cost over the 12 months ending on May 31 [2022] was $666 billion. If we include the impending extra interest on Treasury bills and the maturing notes, that figure rises to $863 billion. This is a staggering cost. National military spending was $746 billion over the past 12 months; Medicare spending was $700 billion.”

The Peter G. Peterson Foundation figures that interest payments will run $8.1 trillion over the coming decade. That’s an average of $810 billion a year. By 2032 interest payments will be about $1.2 trillion a year, above expected military outlays. By midcentury, interest costs will be greater than Social Security and Medicare and will account for 40 percent of total revenue. Of course, interest payments come off the top, a legal obligation that cannot be changed by Congress (absent repudiating federal obligations).

A more rapid increase in interest costs also would inflate future debt levels. Last year CBO offered a higher interest scenario, boosting “the average interest rate on federal debt above the baseline rate by a differential that starts at 5 basis points in 2022 and increases by 5 basis points each year (before macroeconomic effects, which are described below, are accounted for). Under that path, federal debt held by the public equals 235 percent of GDP in 2052 rather than the 185 percent of GDP it equals in the extended baseline projections.”

Unfortunately, interest rates are far more likely to be higher than lower. Irrespective of the Fed’s monetary policies, congressional fiscal behavior almost certainly will remain wildly expansionary, given the lack of commitment to budget responsibility by either major party. Despite occasional rhetorical flourishes, even most GOP legislators have abandoned any pretense of opposing the ongoing fiscal tsunami.

Borrowing will continue to look like the easy way to afford increased outlays even though the cost of debt also will be increasing. Putting the expense onto future actors will remain attractive to current legislators, until the entire system collapses. Moreover, investors likely will expect inflation to remain high given projected deficit increases even before including higher interest payments. And who will purchase the unending supply of federal debt? Warned Jahncke, “It will be challenging and costly to find buyers to replace the Fed.”

Finally, the more the national debt climbs, with increasing doubt as to Washington’s ability to handle the growing burden, the greater the likelihood of a full‐​blown fiscal crisis. CBO warned:

The likelihood of a fiscal crisis increases as federal debt continues to rise, because mounting debt could erode investors’ confidence in the US government’s fiscal position. Such an erosion of confidence would undermine the value of Treasury securities and drive up interest rates on federal debt as investors demanded higher yields to purchase those securities. Concerns about the government’s fiscal position could lead to a sudden and potentially spiraling increase in people’s expectations for inflation, a large drop in the value of the dollar, or a loss of confidence in the government’s ability or commitment to repay its debt in full, all of which would make a fiscal crisis more likely.

If the value of federal securities held by banks then cratered, the US might face a financial crisis as well. Think 2008, only this time without any fiscal room to bail out failed institutions. Back then, the national debt owned by the public ran “only” $5.8 trillion, compared to $24.6 trillion today, a more than fourfold increase.

Washington’s War Lobby nevertheless insists that nothing the US spends is ever enough. Last year, even before the Ukraine invasion, wrote Joni Ernst and James Carafano, US Senator and Heritage Foundation vice president, respectively: “A frozen defense budget will not satisfy the needs for the military to counter threats ranging from an emboldened China, a revanchist Russia, and perpetual bad actors such as North Korea and Iran.” Real increases of three to five percent a year, argued the authors, were necessary “to project power and uphold our alliance commitments.”

When confronted with the coming red ink tsunami, members of the War Lobby blame entitlements for bloating the budget. There is no problem, they suggest, that could not be solved by slashing Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, and assorted other “mandatory” social programs. After all, the bulk of the budget is accounted for by those three plus interest and the military. (Domestic discretionary outlays, currently the most convenient budget target, make up only 16 percent of total federal spending.)

If, however, it were easy to slow (let alone decimate) social programs with an aging population and ever‐​rising health care costs, it would have been done already. Endless numbers of fiscal conservatives, from Ronald Reagan to Paul Ryan, tried to do so. Alas, in coming years even Ernst might find it hard to convince residents of assisted living centers that their benefits should be cut to allow the Europeans to continue expanding their welfare states. Then there are the kids: activists on the left already are arguing that rising interest payments are overshadowing popular causes such as caring for children.

Where else but the military will Congress look if it hopes to avoid fiscal and financial disaster in the future?

The world is a dangerous, messy place, but not particularly for America. The US is dominant at home, flanked by enormous bodies of water and bordered south and north by weak, peaceful neighbors. Washington’s overseas intervention is almost entirely discretionary, utterly disconnected from anything close to a vital interest. Instead, America has created a defense dole for the world, by which industrialized states uniformly shirk responsibility for protecting themselves and their regions.

The US economy no longer can sustain a policy of endless war. Rising interest rates highlight the dismal state of Uncle Sam’s finances. Fiscal reality, as well as good sense, tells the US to focus on its own security.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Society
KEYWORDS: billittothegrandkids; givemeyourmoneyyyy; iran; letsgobrandon; liberaltarians; loserdopians; notglobalcops; russianpropaganda; spendaholics; war; zelenskyyyy
Doug Bandow made some mistakes but I like his opinions.
1 posted on 01/14/2023 12:23:33 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Change the Defense Dept back to its original name - Department of War. So much of what we’re currently blowing “defense” money on doesn’t have anything to do with “defending “ America. Who controls easternUkraine , eg , has no impact on your life or mine , much less the “defense” of America - yet Biden and McConnell can’t stop sending our tax money over there. They’re engaged in WAR not DEFENSE. And war that we have no national interest in


2 posted on 01/14/2023 12:34:01 PM PST by 6thavenue
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To: MarMema

Our interest payments to China finance their military, right?


3 posted on 01/14/2023 12:40:14 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: SERKIT

Nice fear porn, but China has liquidated nearly all US Bonds, our biggest debtors are the US citizen bond holders, the UK, and Japan.

Research is your friend.


4 posted on 01/14/2023 1:12:59 PM PST by datura (Eventually, the Lord and the Truth will win.)
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To: SERKIT
Those interest payments finance it all, not just their military.

I just finished reading one of the most depressing, yet spot on books that I view as a watershed book in my life as a pathway to understanding the world we are going to face for the foreseeable future:

War Without Rules : China's Playbook for Global Domination For those who don't know this author, he is one of the most brilliant men I have seen standing up for the interests of our country in the past 30 years.

FROM THE INSTITUTE OF WORLD POLITICS:
Dr. Robert S. Spalding III, Brig Gen, USAF (Ret.) was a B-52 and B-2 pilot, and is the CEO of SEMPRE. (SEMPRE is a standalone 5G service and software platform designed to power the automated world. SEMPRE is defense-grade hardened and built for data security. SEMPRE will withstand the rigors of First Responder and military needs but is available to protect Americans here at home.)

Dr. Spalding is an innovator and accomplished national security policy strategist. He has served in senior positions of strategy and diplomacy within the Defense and State Departments for more than 26 years, retiring as brigadier general. He was the chief architect for the current widely praised National Security Strategy and the Senior Director for Strategy to the President at the National Security Council. Robert’s innovation while serving in the White House has led to a reset in national security and public policy regarding telecommunications in the U.S. as well as globally.

He is an interesting guy. As active duty Air Force, he learned to speak mandarin fluently (on the Air Force's dime) and took a "sabbatical" again, being paid full time for his rank by the military (plus a stipend, I am sure) lived in Communist China for several years, got an advanced degree (MBA I think, back around 2008) in their universities, and lived among the population. His job was to learn everything he could about the culture in the Communist Chinese country. How they worked. How they learned. What their philosophies on things were. He wasn't a spy. They knew full well who he was.

I will start a thread on this man and his work someday soon, I think it is that important.

He lost his job on the NSC (and as the chief cyberwarfare expert to the Joint Chiefs of Staff) for speaking out about the danger of letting the USA and the rest of the world allowing Communist China to create and build the infrastructure for our 5G networks. He spoke out and got fired for it, but raised the alarm.

5 posted on 01/14/2023 1:29:17 PM PST by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: MarMema

Well I am pretty sure I’m not in favor of using up our weapons and military men on campaigns not vital to the direct national security interests of the country.

Most of those folks didn’t join the military to serve as other nations cannon fodder. Defending OUR country is one thing. Defending everyone else and mega corporations interests abroad, is not constitutional.


6 posted on 01/14/2023 1:31:19 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: datura; SERKIT
Perhaps. But that is in no way "fear porn" to point out that Communist China is a massive threat to not just the USA, but the world.

Their debt load from us and other countries is one arrow in their quiver, and if they have decided that isn't going to achieve their goals against us, they would have jettisoned it by liquidating the debt, and devoting their energies elsewhere. They have been waging "unlimited war" on us for more than three decades now. And the powers that be, dense as they are (indicated by the statement this past week from the House saying "We have to stop trusting Communist China") are only beginning to dimly understand. The Communist Chinese are not Supermen, even though their propaganda is trying to paint them that way to demoralize their foes (US) and they have plenty of their own issues that may bring things to a head. But there is no level of warning today regarding Communist China that I can classify as "fear porn".

7 posted on 01/14/2023 1:38:20 PM PST by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Exactly. Which is why we have no business being involved in Ukraine right now.


8 posted on 01/14/2023 1:39:23 PM PST by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: rlmorel

Or Korea. Or Africa. Or Europe. Or Japan.

Bring them and our equipment all home.

Let’s see how that works out.

Ukraine is an inventory sale. They haven’t even seen the good stuff.

And Russia is struggling against that.


9 posted on 01/14/2023 1:43:06 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: rlmorel

I think all 3 of the idiot leaders want wwiii and nukes to fly. They all have proven they all need to go.


10 posted on 01/14/2023 1:43:36 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: MarMema

I have been talking about this subject for years. As the interest payments explode due to rising interest rates these politicians will finally squirm. I doubt they change anything. At some I suppose they borrow to pay the interest.


11 posted on 01/14/2023 1:48:38 PM PST by plain talk
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To: MarMema

I’d love to see this debated on the House floor.


12 posted on 01/14/2023 2:03:12 PM PST by CathyWhite (Texas Proud Evertrumper)
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To: MarMema

3 solutions...
1. ALL the money sent to ukrane and to all the LIB projects, to be used for Social Security or sent back to the taxpayers.
2. Invest the way peloso invested, we’d all be rich.
3. Ban the democrat/socialist/ communist party.


13 posted on 01/14/2023 2:03:18 PM PST by Conservative4Life (thy merchants were great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev18:23)
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To: MarMema

Traffic on the roads and in stores was heavy and rude with government employees and other special interest beneficiaries today during this weekend before MLK Day but not with members of our military forces.


14 posted on 01/14/2023 2:42:20 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: MarMema

The Uniparty oligarchs in DC are making far too much money on our generational, multi trillion $ new Cold War Uke quagmire for it to end.


15 posted on 01/14/2023 3:21:19 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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