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To: Travis McGee

McCullough dropped off the map in 2021. Did that little dickens pop up again?

pre-covid, cases of myocarditis is the US averaged about 250,000 cases a year and that amount is considered ‘rare’

If you go to IHME, world-wide pre-vaccine, “Summary Myocarditis was responsible for 977 000 DALYs (95% UI 804 00–1 130 000) in 2019. In 2019, there were 728 000 incident cases (585 000–879 000) of myocarditis in males and 538 000 incident cases (436 000–651 000) in females.
https://www.healthdata.org/results/gbd_summaries/2019/myocarditis-level-4-cause

Here’s another world-wide estimate:
“he incidence of myocarditis is approximately 1.5 million cases worldwide per year. Incidence is usually estimated between 10 to 20 cases per 100,000 persons
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459259/#:~:text=Incidence%20is%20usually%20estimated%20between%2010%20to%2020,difficult%20to%20ascertain%20as%20many%20cases%20are%20subclinical.

But I don’t think myocarditis has much to do with long covid.

Long covid deals mostly with sleep orders, mood swings, shortness of breath, brain fog, chest tightness, loss of hair, smell or taste issues, mobility issues, muscular aches and skin rashes

Most of what I’ve learned about myocarditis, besides it’s rare is:
According to the CDC, “Of the hundreds of millions of Covid vaccine doses given in the U.S. since late 2020, there have been around 1,000 reports of vaccine-related myocarditis or pericarditis in children under age 18, primarily young males”

According to a breakdown shown at a chart at the below link, from VAERS: 972 reported, 635 confirmed out of 54 million doses.

CDC enhanced surveillance:
During the surveillance periods (through November 2021 for 12–17 years and April 2022 for 5–11 years), VAERS received 430 reports of myocarditis or myopericarditis after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in children ages 5–17 years
that met CDC case definition
190 completed the patient or parent survey, 128 were unreachable on multiple attempts, 98 had no telephone contact information in the report, and 7 declined to participate • 226 cardiologists or other healthcare providers (HCP) completed a survey, 120 were unreachable on multiple attempts, and 65 had no telephone contact information
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2022-06-22-23/03-covid-shimabukuro-508.pdf

If you go further down to the chart entitled: Verified myocarditis and pericarditis in the 0–7-day risk interval among MALE children ages 5-17 years by age group and dose, the largest number shown under excess risk column is 151 per million - That’s far from McCullough’s claim of 25,000/mil. Maybe he’s trying to pass off the ‘normal’ pre-covid rate as covid-caused?


20 posted on 01/08/2023 5:08:47 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: blueplum; Travis McGee
--- "If you go to IHME, world-wide pre-vaccine, 'Summary Myocarditis was responsible for 977 000 DALYs (95% UI 804 00–1 130 000) in 2019. In 2019, there were 728 000 incident cases (585 000–879 000) of myocarditis in males and 538 000 incident cases (436 000–651 000) in females'."

https://www.healthdata.org/results/gbd_summaries/2019/myocarditis-level-4-cause"

One notes in the referenced IHME web page, the data goes through 2019, pre-Covid. IHME, which has "paused" its data gathering and reporting on Covid as of December 2022, has managed to keep the "myocarditis" page up-to-date only through 2019, so over three years it's not anywhere near up to date.

For your second source, one reads: "...Incidence is usually estimated...."

As for the citations mentioning VAERS, if one accepts all the "fact-checkers" saying that "vaccines injury and death" are false, then the VAERS system doesn't support your claims either.

Moreover, both McCullough AND the CDC claims are "claims," given that the data is partial, contested and often difficult to parse. To default to the position that the CDC remains an honest broker in data collection and reporting is to align with "safe and effective," still for still-experimental mRNA injections 1) without trial results completed, and 2) covered by repeated "emergency use authorization" declarations from the Biden administration currently.

I was amused by your turn of phrase, "Did that little dickens pop up again?" Rather folksy, and echoing the now-famous "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it."

29 posted on 01/08/2023 5:30:22 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: blueplum

“Long covid deals mostly with sleep orders, mood swings, shortness of breath, brain fog, chest tightness, loss of hair, smell or taste issues, mobility issues, muscular aches and skin rashes.”

We know 2 women with Long Covid, and they are totally different people.

One is an overweight female teenager. Everyone in her family including a sibling with 1.5 years less lifetime had Covid and bounced back in about a month.

The long Covid teen is basically staying at home and vegging out. She is working on her GAT at home on the family computer.

The other Long Covid is the complete opposite. She is a single woman in her mid 30’s and was in excellent health.
She developed Covid on a trip to the UK, and she has all of the symptoms listed above and vision problems. She now needs bi-focal glasses to read and to see psast 6’.
Before the crud, she had zero vision problems.

She is on half time with her job and would love to be back to normal and working. She can work about 3-4 hours before wanting to collapse.

Both are being treated by our big PPO.

The teen is heading into her 3rd year with this crud. Every treatment has basically failed, and she is being monitored and receiving some light OTC treatment.

The other woman has had the crud for about 6 months. Basically, every treatment known has been given to this woman with minimal if any remission or her feeling better.

She is on 50% disability, and she wants to return full time.


47 posted on 01/08/2023 11:28:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave ((Truth is hate speech to those, who hate the truth!) (clintonh8r))
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