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Tesla Driver In 8-Vehicle Pileup On Bay Bridge Says Full Self-Driving Malfunctioned
MSN ^ | 12/21/2022 | Shivdeep Dhaliwal

Posted on 12/22/2022 8:53:12 AM PST by SaxxonWoods

Aglitch in Tesla Inc’s (NASDAQ: TSLA) Full-Self Driving (FSD) caused an eight-vehicle crash on San Francisco's Bay Bridge, according to the driver involved.

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To: qaz123
Does anyone have a countdown clock as to when 1 or 2 EV-fanbois on this site will appear and tell everyone how great EVs are, this was operator error, how powerful they are, how far they can go, how Musk is the most awesomest person on the planet, how Musk builds empires, blah blah etc etc blah blah?

No matter how good EVs may or may not be, they can't make this sound.

81 posted on 12/22/2022 11:09:29 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator

“No matter how good EVs may or may not be, they can’t make this sound.”

Wrong. Jump to 4:00

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82 posted on 12/22/2022 11:14:07 AM PST by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: Disambiguator

What do you drive?


83 posted on 12/22/2022 11:15:18 AM PST by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: SaxxonWoods
The term “Artificial Intelligence” is duping many people into believing that computers can do things that they simply can’t, and will never be able to do. This all starts with a materialistic worldview that falsely believes that human consciousness is nothing more than the product of a very sophisticated computer, i.e. the brain. After all, if consciousness and human intelligence are just physical manifestations of a really powerful biological computer, then all it takes to replicate and even surpass them is a sufficiently powerful silicon computer. Easy peasy.

The problem is that consciousness is actually a spiritual manifestation, and not purely physical. The brain that they’re so focused upon is only the physical mechanism that allows our spirit to interact with the physical world. Their belief is like thinking that the ventriloquist’s dummy is actually alive and conscious, and that if they only figure out the right grade of wood to use they can make one that is alive and can think and talk even without a ventriloquist behind it.

But just as the wooden dummy only presents the illusion that it is alive, so too does “AI” only present an illusion that it is intelligent and aware of its surroundings. AI will get better at this mimicry as computer processors continue to get faster with more parallel architecture, but it will never reach a point at which it can safely react to all of the randomness that occurs in the world, not even when limited to those things that can happen while driving a car. Sure, most of the time, even today, it can do a good job of driving (even better than humans at times), but when it inevitably fails it will fail spectacularly, and at those moments it will fail so badly that it will almost always have been better to have had a human in control. The reason is that no amount of programming can anticipate every possible situation, while human consciousness and intelligence can sort those situations out in ways that we still don’t completely understand. We often do things intuitively, especially in a crisis, that don’t make strict logical sense or that are based upon an incomplete picture of the world. The computer’s downfall is that it ALWAYS follows a logical sequence according to its programming, which sometimes dooms it to failure, along with any human whose life is depending upon its decision making.

84 posted on 12/22/2022 11:21:08 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

From the article:
“The police report noted that the Tesla vehicle made an unsafe lane change and was slowing to a stop which led to another vehicle ramming it resulting in a cascade of crashes”

No doubt the self driving isn’t quite there yet but how is the self driving Tesla at fault for some jerk rear ending it?


85 posted on 12/22/2022 11:23:22 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democrat it beats thinking!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

And just to think that they are planning on putting driverless Semis out there on the road.


86 posted on 12/22/2022 11:31:17 AM PST by Revel
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To: TexasGator

But only Tesla is calling it “Full Self Driving”.🙄


87 posted on 12/22/2022 11:35:01 AM PST by BiteYourSelf ( Earth first, we'll strip mine the other planets later.)
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To: TexasGator

How many people can control a vehicle going that fast?🤨


88 posted on 12/22/2022 11:39:51 AM PST by BiteYourSelf ( Earth first, we'll strip mine the other planets later.)
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To: subterfuge

And another tech FanBoi in the mix.

Don’t care.


89 posted on 12/22/2022 11:49:11 AM PST by qaz123
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To: Disambiguator

That’s absolutely fantastic.

Maybe TexasGator and his BFFs, Ron and Elon, can collaborate on a project and have super duper, 9000hp, EVs make that noise.


90 posted on 12/22/2022 11:51:04 AM PST by qaz123
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To: T.B. Yoits
On the Golden Gate Bridge?

It was the SF/Oakland Bay Bridge, which has one-way traffic on two decks. The GGB is less safe, having two-way traffic on a single deck separated by a temporary divider that is shifted daily for rush hour conditions. Used to be lots of head-on crashes before they installed the temporary divider. I always use the right lane on the GGB and stay away from the center lanes. As for the Bay Bridge, the side lanes are worst because of traffic slowing to exit at the Yerba Buena/Treasure Island exits.

91 posted on 12/22/2022 11:51:39 AM PST by roadcat
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To: SaxxonWoods

Sure. Sure. Let’s take down Tesla and, in turn, Musk.


92 posted on 12/22/2022 11:52:29 AM PST by NeverTyranny
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To: BiteYourSelf
But only Tesla is calling it “Full Self Driving”.

It wasn't FSD, it was autopilot just like you have on ICE vehicles. You cant use FSD on the highway, including the SF/Oakland Bay Bridge. It wont turn on. Autopilot is for the highway. FSD for city streets. Both require you to have hands on the steering wheel and take over if necessary. I don't have a Tesla, but I do have autopilot on my car and I refuse to use it, preferring to always have manual control.

Again, it was Autopilot if not manual control on that Tesla.

93 posted on 12/22/2022 12:17:15 PM PST by roadcat
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To: NeverTyranny

I like Musk and own Tesla. Auto-driving has a long way to go, that’s all.


94 posted on 12/22/2022 12:45:50 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Successful People Have a Sense of Gratitude. Unsuccessful People Have a Sense of Entitlement)
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To: noiseman

Good comment.


95 posted on 12/22/2022 12:46:54 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Successful People Have a Sense of Gratitude. Unsuccessful People Have a Sense of Entitlement)
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To: shoff

“No doubt the self driving isn’t quite there yet but how is the self driving Tesla at fault for some jerk rear ending it?”

“The police report noted that the Tesla vehicle made an unsafe lane change and was slowing to a stop which led to another vehicle ramming it resulting in a cascade of crashes”

It’s easy to make people rear-end you no matter how much they are paying attention. Jump in their lane right in front of them and hit the brakes. Insurance scammers do it every day.


96 posted on 12/22/2022 12:51:44 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Successful People Have a Sense of Gratitude. Unsuccessful People Have a Sense of Entitlement)
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To: TexasGator

I left the lane follow on but still had to control the steering as it would drift too far left and right not following a center path.


I think the lane follow is guided by the lane lines, when it very rainy or the lane lines are not there, it switches off.

The first time I had everything switched on, I’d feel the steering wheel pulling to one side and I thought there was something wrong with our brand-new car, then realized that it was steering itself. It does make long journeys on the Interstate a bit easier—but as I said before, being a geezer, I keep my hands on the wheel.


97 posted on 12/22/2022 1:37:41 PM PST by hanamizu
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To: SaxxonWoods

Because the guy who caused the accident can always be relied on to fully, candidly and accurately report what caused the accident!


98 posted on 12/22/2022 1:46:20 PM PST by dangus
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Cost: About $100K after the government subsidies.

$200K+

99 posted on 12/22/2022 1:47:51 PM PST by EVO X ( )
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To: SaxxonWoods

I have stock in Tesla. With what is going on with Musk and Twitter, I do not trust anything.


100 posted on 12/22/2022 2:05:19 PM PST by NeverTyranny
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