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To: SeekAndFind

Smart man. Toyota is ahead of its time by being behind the EV times. They have mastered the technology of the half a loaf hybrid with no range anxiety and they eventually will progress to non fossil fuel hydrogen with zero emissions, no range anxiety and a quick fueling stop. Even Elon has said Tesla will produce its first hydrogen Tesla in 2024 and that EVs will not be ruling the road come 2030.Other technologies will.
We are making a big mistake building an EV fueling infrastructure when that technology will be the old technology in the 2030s.


17 posted on 12/19/2022 12:37:04 PM PST by chuckee ( )
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Plug in hybrids IMHO make the most sense from an all around perspective.
You can charge it at home for those little around town/errands drives. Maybe even charge it at your office.
The hybrid motors run it in the city when you are sitting in traffic.
The ICE engine gives you the ability to drive it across country.
The high torque electric motor makes it into a high end sports car.


19 posted on 12/19/2022 12:46:12 PM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: chuckee
I'd like to see hybrids that are BEV/HEV. In a way that's simpler (read: less chance of mechanical problems) than a normal hybrid because a normal hybrid has the dual complexity of a gas engine and an electric motor. Another problem with a normal hybrid is the dependency on gasoline -- I have yet to figure out how to drill and process my own oil like some us have figured out how to produce our own power.

A hybrid BEV / HEV would be much simpler by being just an electric car with two power sources: battery and hydrogen fuel cell. Right now hydrogen is costly to produce relative to battery power, thus the new hybrid would have a larger battery than today's plug-in hybrids, perhaps as large as today's BEV's (what we usually call EV's, they're Battery Electric Vehicles). You could drive on battery power for local driving and for driving on trips for the first 250 miles after you leave a charging station. But for the long stretches between charging stations you can use the hydrogen to power the car.

Bonus points for those of us who live in the south and own our own property where it's becoming more feasible to have your own solar power. On some days I get such good solar that my 92kWh of home battery storage is fully charged as is my EV, and I still have solar coming in that I have nowhere for it to go (I don't put power onto the grid for multiple reasons). On those days I could run an electrolyzer to produce hydrogen -- a horribly inefficient process so it's the last that I'd do with my solar power after all other things are charged. But one thing hydrogen brings to the table in a car is it adds a lot more miles (powering a hydrogen fuel cell) without adding a lot more weight (like adding more battery storage to a normal EV would do).

So instead of getting just the first 270 miles of a trip free with my own solar power, I could get perhaps the first 500 or 600 miles free (assuming I don't take a long trip every week or so, because like I say running the electrolyzer is horribly inefficient and would be the last priority, so it'd take a while to build up the hydrogen for the next long trip). Or another way to say it, any time I have 500 or 600 miles in between chargers I could use the hydrogen to take me further than the battery would.

The problem would be refuelling the hydrogen fuel cell while on a long trip. As I say, making hydrogen is an inefficient process. That would make a hydrogen refuel more costly than charging the battery or filling up a gasoline tank -- unless the hydrogen is made from burning natural gas, which the warmageddonists won't like. So that one part of the trip makes hydrogen more expensive than battery charge or gasoline fill up.

26 posted on 12/19/2022 1:07:57 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: chuckee
We are making a big mistake building an EV fueling infrastructure when that technology will be the old technology in the 2030s.

Electric charging stations will be as ubiquitous as Betamax tape players are presently.

56 posted on 12/20/2022 3:41:03 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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We are making a big mistake building an EV fueling infrastructure when that technology will be the old technology in the 2030s.

Electric charging stations will be as ubiquitous as Betamax tape players are presently.

57 posted on 12/20/2022 3:41:03 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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