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To: 4Zoltan; woodpusher; DiogenesLamp; CDR Kerchner; x
The concept of dual citizenship in and of itself may not disqualify one from being a citizen (leaving alone the presidential eligibility question for just a moment), since whether or not one qualifies as a citizen of another country is inherently the purview of the laws of that other country, which may not have anything to do with US laws.

However, if that laws of citizenship of that other country (in dual citizenship) requires fealty to only that other country, one might be left with someone wanting or claiming to be a US citizen when he or she owes complete allegiance via oath and agreeing signature to another country.

1) It appears Indonesia disallows dual citizenship. Barry has been identified in at least two ways as an Indonesian citizen. a) attending a school reserved only for non-foreigners, and b) apparently having possessed an Indonesian passport while being of majority age. c) Since Indonesia also requires birth certificates, it could appear Barry's step-mom would have had to present a false one that both Barry and she later hid from the Hawai'i Department of Health (HDOH) and US State Department or until Analysis Corp President and CEO John Brennan happened by such records with Lieutenant Quarels Harris in tow. (Or is the name "Soebarkah" relevant here?)

2) No valid, official document shows Barry to have been born in Hawaii. A US attorney, an officer of the court has made a representation that he has seen (and presumably retained) a copy of a British Columbian name change record for someone who sought and received from the court a change to the name "Barack Hussein Obama." That comports with a wider story of a Peace Arch Hospital, White Rock, BC birth to a bloodline/hierarchy woman in 1961. It also would defy any attempt at characterizing this as coincidence.

3) Are we expected to affirm that a majority-age Barry that had sworn his complete fealty to Indonesia would be eligible for the US presidency in the eyes of the crafters and ratifiers of the Constitution, irrespective of where he was born? What would our country's forefathers have intended? I think things become clearer in such circumstance, for surely no one has ever thought them, collectively, to be fools.

Even Nancy Pelosi, in 49 of the 50 nomination letters to the states that she sent out on Barry's behalf, demurred from saying that Barry was legally qualified, saying only the candidates Obama and Biden "were duly nominated as candidates of said [Democratic] Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively.."

To the State of Hawaii alone she wrote "THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 through 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.. "

4) Barry and his handlers put forth an invalid birth record that in whatever form it may ever have existed, had been amended. Its 4/27/2011 contained many indicia that prove that document did not exist in 1961 and that, furthermore, we can all bear witness was not the "half typed and half handwritten" record for Barry the previous HDOH Director, Chiyome Fukino, M.D., publicly represented to have seen on multiple occasions.

5) We may not have answers to why Barry and/or his (many CIA) handlers saw fit to alter his birth record (in ever so many ways) and put forth the forged and fraudulent one they did, but the bottom line as it states on all HDOH certificates, "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE."

168 posted on 12/21/2022 9:32:22 PM PST by rx
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To: rx; 4Zoltan
2) No valid, official document shows Barry to have been born in Hawaii.

3) Are we expected to affirm that a majority-age Barry that had sworn his complete fealty to Indonesia would be eligible for the US presidency in the eyes of the crafters and ratifiers of the Constitution,

You are entitled to your opinion but it is legally meaningless. Once a State proves a document, it must be accepted by all Federal and State courts pursuant to the U.S. Constitution, Article 4, Section 1:

Section 1.

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule44.htm

Federal Rules of Civil Procedure

Rule 44. Proving an Official Record

(a) Means of Proving.

(1) Domestic Record.

Each of the following evidences an official record — or an entry in it — that is otherwise admissible and is kept within the United States, any state, district, or commonwealth, or any territory subject to the administrative or judicial jurisdiction of the United States:

(A) an official publication of the record; or

(B) a copy attested by the officer with legal custody of the record — or by the officer's deputy — and accompanied by a certificate that the officer has custody. The certificate must be made under seal:

(i) by a judge of a court of record in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept; or

(ii) by any public officer with a seal of office and with official duties in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept.

(2) Foreign Record.

[...]

This Indonesia thing could have been argued to a Court. Oh wait, Berg v. Obama, PAED 08-cv- 04083, Plaintiff Berg, Doc 13:

Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. In or about 1966, when Obama was approximately five (5) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, whom she had met at the Hawaii University, and moved to Indonesia with Obama. Obama lost his U.S. citizenship, when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, and took up residency in Indonesia. Loss of citizenship, in these circumstances, under U.S. law (as in effect in 1967) required that foreign citizenship be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization occurred, for example, when a person acquired a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country.

Result: Dismissed.

Appeal Result: "On consideration whereof, it is now ORDERED and ADJUDGED that the judgment of the District Court entered October 27, 2008, be and the same is hereby affirmed. Costs taxed against Appellant."

CERT: Denied.

An American citizen child cannot revoke his citizenship. Only an adult can do that, and an adult cannot do that for a child. A five-year old cannot swear his complete fealty to Indonesia.

170 posted on 12/21/2022 11:14:51 PM PST by woodpusher
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To: rx; woodpusher

Obama’s mother never gave up or lost her US citizenship. She continually renewed her US passport until the late 1980s. This can only mean Obama never lost his US citizenship. Under US law his mother could not give up his US citizen while he was a minor.

There is no evidence that the schools Obama attended in Indonesia were closed to foreigners.

Hawaii issued a certified letter of verification to the federal court in Mississippi which is legal proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.


177 posted on 12/26/2022 10:32:56 AM PST by 4Zoltan
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