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To: fireman15

“As compared to Afghanistan?”
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You have to remember the Ukraine conflict is two wars. The first special military operation with about 150,000 troops designed to pressure Zelensky into negotiating an agreement for autonomy for Donbas, de-militarization, de-nazification.

They had a tentative agreement in Istanbul at the end of March. Deep state stepped in and make Zelensky an offer. If he would dump the agreement and continue the war they would provide all the weapons and financial support he needed.

Zelensky took their offer...and the second “war” began. Proxy war of NATO vs. Russia. That one was unexpected and was not likely to be short.


4 posted on 12/08/2022 8:53:35 PM PST by Cathi
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To: Cathi
You have to remember the Ukraine conflict is two wars. The first special military operation with about 150,000 troops designed to pressure Zelensky into negotiating an agreement for autonomy for Donbas, de-militarization, de-nazification.

Which would be a lie meant to explain away the complete failure to take Kyiv, including tens of thousands of dead troops, gridlocked armored vehicles stretching for miles and stuck for days due to incompetence, and waves of special forces trying again and again to take the same airport all killed.

They had a tentative agreement in Istanbul at the end of March. Deep state stepped in and make Zelensky an offer. If he would dump the agreement and continue the war they would provide all the weapons and financial support he needed.

Which, of course, is completely made up BS peddled by the pedophile Scott Ritter and the retards who make up Russia's propaganda arm.

5 posted on 12/08/2022 8:59:06 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Cathi

“Deep state stepped in and make Zelensky an offer.”

More like an offer he couldn’t refuse. Don’t forget that the first people we had military exercises with after the 2014 coup were the Azovs. That set up our relationship with the REAL POWER in Ukraine, the Azovs...so it’s likely Zelensky had no choice but to fight.


27 posted on 12/08/2022 10:19:58 PM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 24 degrees)
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To: Cathi

My only fear is that the NATO vs Russia Proxy war will expand and grow into a world conflict. Looks like Belarus is about to enter the fray, and Poland as well. With one bad judgement this thing could take on a life of its own—like WW One. More nations could fall into the trap. Russia can’t Beat the USA. but Russia/China/Iran/North Korea/Syria/and Cuba might take us down and NATO Too.


34 posted on 12/09/2022 12:24:52 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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