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Posted on 12/04/2022 8:31:12 PM PST by SeekAndFind
“FactCheck’s” Fact Checking has been unsubstantiated and widely debunked
So they are denying something uncle joe already has admitted to?
RE: So they are denying something uncle joe already has admitted to?
These Biden apologosts do not deny that Joe admits to pushing for the firing of the prosecutor. However they say that the REASONS are not what most of Biden’s detractors claim.
Their excuse is Joe Biden pushed the then Ukrainian President to fire the prosecutor ( Viktor Shokin ) using the $1 Billion loan guarantee as leverage, NOT in order to save his son from investigation, but because he was concerned that the Prosecutor was not really going after corrupt politicians.
SEE HERE FOR INSTANCE:
TITLE: Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son
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It’s true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn’t because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn’t pursuing corruption among the country’s politicians.
As European and American diplomats pressed Ukraine to clean up its corruption, they focused on Shokin’s leadership of the Prosecutor General’s Office, which he took over in February 2015.
Mike Carpenter, who served as a foreign policy adviser to the then-vice president, told USA TODAY that Shokin “never went after any corrupt individuals at all” and “never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption.”
Charlie Kupchan, who was a special assistant to President Barack Obama and a senior director for European Affairs on the National Security Council, said anti-corruption efforts were “a big part of our diplomacy” with Ukraine, since “it was that corruption that allowed Russia to manipulate the country politically and economically.”
As a result, Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid as “a stick to move Ukraine forward,” Kupchan said. “He was acting alongside our European allies. Everybody was of a single mind that this prosecutor was not the right guy for the job.”
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Here’s the Truth, the IC and foreign policy advisers identified that Ukraine was dependent on Russia for Energy.
The Deepest and oldest Democrats started having meetings on
Legislation to fund Ukraine and provide them infrastructure and Energy that would not come from Russia. They packed the goodies and specifically tailored the Money (legislation) for Natural Gas consultants that could bring them this Energy Independence. The old guard Dems worked with Biden who Obama named as point man on Ukraine.
So, chosen Dem staffers, relatives, and Hunter was sent to Ukraine to get the money that the Dems funded, Ukraine funneled large parts of that back to Burisma (Hunter). To no one’s surprise, the Dems Huge aid package for Ukraine was a huge waste of money. After Burisma and the usual suspects took their money, nothing was really produced. Ukraine was still as dependent on Russia as before, but the US Debt as increased, as usual.
A US President or Vice President has never demanded a Foreign Prosecutor be fired before in History.
And before Ukraine took the bribe, the Ukraine whistleblower, Eric Ciaramella met with top Ukraine officials at the WH and asked them to allow the FBi to take over the Investigation of Hunter and Burisma. Ukraine did not agree to the Biden FBi solution, and weeks later, he goes on a plane with the promise of One Billion dollars in exchange for the firing of the Prosecutor. They were given six hours, or the Billion dollars offer would be withdrawn permanently.
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Their gaslight is running out of gas, and none too soon.
Why do you post these lies without adding some kind of rebuttal or barf alert?
Without a rebuttal you are just an extension of the fake news.
The assertion that the so called "fact check" folks claim that "Trump has repeatedly distorted"... is in itself an unsupported assertion by them.
Actually Trump has been proven 100% correct is his assertions about Hunter Biden's activities.
Are the Fact Checkers trying to soften up the blow to come as the explosive findings in the laptop hit the news?
Their credibility is approaching zero.
What false narrative? Biden admitted it! His admission is videoed.
RE: Why do you post these lies without adding some kind of rebuttal or barf alert?
I expect you to use your PERSONAL DISCERNMENT to determine whether or not they are true or false. I’m sure most FReepers are intelligent enough NOT to need a barf alert to know the difference.
From this article we learn that “baseless” means “true, and fully supported by evidence, but, which evidence we will suppress, and the people who try to reveal that evidence, we will destroy”. E.g. “Baseless claims of election fraud.”
There goes that word again, “Debunked”. Every time I hear that I know there is truth they are trying to hide.
Factcheck says Shokin was “widely viewed as corrupt”. That is a classic MSM weasel phrase, they take an assertion, and simply say “many believe”. We don’t know who the “many” people are who supposedly hold the view that Shokin was corrupt, or why they hold that view. They could as well say
“Joe Biden, who is widely viewed as the most incompetent and corrupt public official in the history of the world”....
“Joe Biden has been blatantly lying about his involvement in his son’s corrupt business dealings.”
But the Post story and Hunter Biden’s emails — which may or may not be authentic — don’t support Trump’s claims.”
THE LAPTOP SUPPORTS THESE CLAIMS, there is a voicemail from Joe to Hunter in which Joe says, regarding a NY Times article about Hunter’s business dealings, that “You’re in the clear”. This obviously supports Trump’s claim that Joe knew about Hunter’s business dealings. Could not be more clear. And they’re still denying the authenticity of the laptop!
Obviously, I know it’s garbage with or without a barf alert - that’s not the point.
The point is - without your rebuttal, or a barf alert, there is no difference between you and CNN. Zero. Zip. Nada. You are both spreading lies.
You can say after the fact you did it “to know what the other side is saying” or some such nonsense. We KNOW what the other side is saying. Everyone is inundated with fake news all day long - why would anyone need you to repeat it when it’s on every channel and every newspaper?
You say it’s for discussion - but do you discuss it? No, you just throw it out there without any commentary - you are no different than CNN.
If you think there’s some value in reading fake news lies for the umpteenth time, explain why you think that. You are just helping them with their distribution.
The fake news loves people like you - you help them reach audiences that they couldn’t otherwise reach.
RE: The point is - without your rebuttal, or a barf alert, there is no difference between you and CNN. Zero. Zip. Nada. You are both spreading lies.
I disagree with this. The point of posting this is for EVERYONE to post their rebuttals. You are welcome to post yours.
There is a WHALE of a difference between posting something and agreeing with what was posted.
If you think the so-called “fact-check” is wrong and filled with lies, feel free to tell us why. I will be happy to read them. But don’t shoot the messenger.
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