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Preliminary NTSB report

https://interactive.wfaa.com/pdfs/Report_CEN23MA034_106276_11_30_2022-2_31_45-PM.pdf

1 posted on 11/30/2022 1:54:31 PM PST by DFG
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To: DFG
The evidence...

Looks like a collision to me...

2 posted on 11/30/2022 2:01:06 PM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: DFG

Two question come to this former tactical naval aviator.

(1) how old was the pilot of the fighter?

(2) how much experience did he have in tactical aircraft?

From viewing the film, it appears as if he lost track of his high closure and compounded that error by going belly-up, thus losing sight. The correct thing to have done is to have yo-yo’d hard leveled wings and gone vertical, and even canopy rolling to keep the slower bomber in sight. NEVER lose sight!

It is VERY disturbing footage to view.


3 posted on 11/30/2022 2:02:07 PM PST by Gulf War One
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To: DFG

Since this leaves approximately 4 airworthy B-17’s - let’s take care of the remainder.


6 posted on 11/30/2022 2:21:30 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: DFG

It’s hard to believe that guys with this much experience could screw up so badly.

I’m no expert in air show maneuvers but the ones I’ve seen, the fighters fly in formation keeping each other in view at all times, and the bombers fly separately.


8 posted on 11/30/2022 2:30:27 PM PST by DarrellZero
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To: DFG

New video suggests that the P-63 may have collided with something small — possibly a drone — resulting in loss of control and a stall.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dallas-midair-tragedy-new-videos-show-startling-change-in-flight-path-of-p-63/ar-AA14KpwD?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7294d62424094ecc972196d68ba6609b


14 posted on 11/30/2022 2:49:30 PM PST by Clioman
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To: DFG

The fighter pilot is at fault as well as the air boss.

Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time.

The planes, fighters vs bombers, were supposed to be in two different size circles at two different altitudes.

Even though the fighter pilot flew out of his circle, had he been at the proper altitude, the accident still would not have happened.

Fighter pilot leaving his circle AND flying at the same height as the bomber.

Air boss supposedly told the fighter to advance ahead of the bomber. The fighter pilot increased his speed to comply (he should have refused the instruction) which caused him to go wide. Being at the wrong altitude caused the crash. Accelerating caused him to go wide and bank sharply, making it impossible for him to see the bomber.


24 posted on 11/30/2022 3:59:40 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: DFG

“it appears the bomber was either ahead of its planned path or the P-63 was slow and behind”

Aka “We don’t know”. This observation leaves out the vertical separation entirely.


25 posted on 11/30/2022 3:59:55 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: DFG

You would think that NTSB investigators would be required to work 40 hr weeks ... think less than a couple years would be possible for competent investigators working full time.


28 posted on 11/30/2022 4:36:45 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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