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1 posted on 11/28/2022 5:40:58 AM PST by MtnClimber
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Trump has been the only president to fight the deep state.


2 posted on 11/28/2022 5:41:09 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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There is no other option than Trump. Nobody else gets us to the promised land. He is our Hail Mary.


4 posted on 11/28/2022 5:47:41 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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Sydney Carton.

📖


5 posted on 11/28/2022 5:48:20 AM PST by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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Nixon had his first presidential election stolen but he did the ‘honorable’ thing and meekly conceded, thereby setting the template for future victims of voter fraud.
Trump just doesn’t fit that template.


6 posted on 11/28/2022 5:48:41 AM PST by ArtDodger
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Trump accomplished many things. He was the first President in my memory that not only got a lot of conservative stuff done but also tried to fulfill his promises.


7 posted on 11/28/2022 5:49:50 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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Don’t know but I do know that Jo Jo Bidenskyyyy is our P.T. Barnum. He is running one hell of a freak show up there in D.C.


9 posted on 11/28/2022 5:50:59 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (You can vote your way into socialism but you have to shoot your way out. Remember that Snowflakes!)
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> Was Trump Our Captain Queeg? <

No. That’s nonsense. Trump was our Gen. Patton, bold and brash. And like with Patton, prone to unforced errors.


10 posted on 11/28/2022 5:57:34 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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Maybe cause none of the commie freaks will talk about it. It’s like it never even happened. I know of noone who likes having anything stolen from them.


12 posted on 11/28/2022 5:59:51 AM PST by A Voice (As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the end times.)
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Was Trump Our Captain Queeg?

In the sense that he didn’t step up and take control when conditions became tenuous — allowing underlings to assume command —

yes…

18 posted on 11/28/2022 6:16:13 AM PST by Magnatron
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Trump is a savvy guy, but he doesn't seem to realize that he needs to appear magnanimous in the public eye. If he wants exact payback from his attackers (and who doesn't), do it in private. Complaining in public does nothing to achieve payback. It can only backfire.

There is no doubt that he has been attacked like no other president in history, but what did he expect? He's not just attacking the Democrat Party, he's attacking the Establishment itself (which contains plenty of members from both parties).

Of course he's going to be attacked.

I was taught a million years ago (and surely someone taught Trump this), never say anything in public that doesn't contribute to the success of your strategic plan.

We all realize that Trump is a "what you see is what you get" kind of guy, but you don't expose your underbelly to your enemy EVER (unless it's a feint).

21 posted on 11/28/2022 6:21:05 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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Yeah Captain Queeg was the most successful officer in the navy…


24 posted on 11/28/2022 6:24:59 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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The ONLY way Trump wins in 2024 is if he quits talking about 2020. The 2020 election should never pass his lips, even if asked about it.

2024 needs to PUBLICLY be all about fixing the crap the DemonRats have foisted upon the US and our people.

You can't remove the swamp if you don't get into a position to do it. Trump needs to understand this.
28 posted on 11/28/2022 6:38:20 AM PST by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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The real case for Trump 2024 is back stabber Paul Ryan. Only a fool would vote for a lily livered establishment Republican. Not to mention, after getting rid of Trump, the left will savage any Republican who follows. Trump deserves his chance to get revenge. I’m voting for revenge,


30 posted on 11/28/2022 6:45:46 AM PST by DeplorablePaul ("..)
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I’m just wondering about those who say President Trump should forget 2020 were ever BOUNCED OUT OF A JOB, and later found out that a relative of the boss, BOUGHT YOUR JOB by deception, lying, threatening and even bribing.

If this happened to anyone I knew, I would be sympathetic and try to help.

But I DON’T KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED THAT.


34 posted on 11/28/2022 7:08:01 AM PST by Maris Crane
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The Never Trump mob don’t live in the real world and nobody knows what it is except it’s a zone of no logic or reasoning and a lot of screaming.


35 posted on 11/28/2022 7:23:36 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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When everybody is untrustworthy, it’s hard to get anything done. Yet he did more good than any President since Reagan.


36 posted on 11/28/2022 7:47:08 AM PST by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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Roe v Wade was overturned and the Bruen decision is poised to restore the Second Amendment. These two Supreme Court decisions alone constitute a great accomplishment by Trump.

Yet even Trump’s supporters seem oblivious to the benefit to our nation of settling, or nearly settling, the two most divisive issues of our time.

37 posted on 11/28/2022 8:14:15 AM PST by William Tell
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Trump is more like Julius Caesar, knifed in the back .


39 posted on 11/28/2022 8:26:31 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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When I saw this, I very much appreciated the tack that Mr. Hanson took with this criticism.

Herman Wouk's "The Caine Mutiny" is one of my all-time favorite movies. To me, it has always been a movie that is less about a mutiny, and more about leadership.

There are a lot of parallels in the treatment of Trump by the Republican Party and the treatment of Captain Queeg by his own crew, in particular, the officers of the USS Caine.

The fictional Captain Queeg character was a flawed man, there's no doubt about that. But the truth of the matter is, history is full of flawed men who have to perform jobs under difficult conditions. Trump isn't mentally ill, which makes the disgusting turn of the backs (when they weren't openly plotting against him) by the GOP in general, both nauseating and discouraging.

In "The Caine Mutiny", the crew (including the officers) talks about Captain Queeg behind his back, makes up derogatory songs about him, offers him no support, and generally leaves him out to dry. In this treatment of Captain Queeg by his crew, we expect this behavior from the enlisted crew, in the same we expect this behavior from Democrats and the Media. But as in the fictional movie, where we don't expect this juvenile backstabbing from the Officers of the Caine, we don't expect this from the members of his own party.

In the movie, it is hard to keep and hold a grudge against LT Maryk the Executive Officer who relieved the Captain. His heart was in the right place, and his reasoning, even if flawed, had rationale to it that one can appreciate. He is an officer, a young man with only a few years experience, still learning the ropes but largely getting it right. I could take this view with some portion of his own party who opposed him on this issue or that, because I believe that is the way things should work.

An officer corps should always be able to speak their mind to their leadership. It isn't as corrosive as insubordinate officers, or as openly catastrophic as officers who work in shadows to subvert their superior officers in the military, but officers who are "Yes Men" can be every bit as dangerous to both the mission and the lives of the sailors, soldiers, or Marines under their command.

It is in this prism that I view those Republicans who opposed Trump in his various endeavors. We must have internal debates, for as General George S. Patton famously said, "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." there is far too much blood and treasure involved when people don't think.

So I hold a degree of contempt for those politicians who may have agreed with Trump on specific issues, but cravenly closed their office doors and shut their mouths because they were afraid of losing office.

Furthermore, those politicians in the Republican Party, Collins, Murkowski, McConnell, Graham, and most egregiously, Romney, and McCain, are deserving of every malediction we can heap on them. They have a set of values, to be sure, but their values are not those of Americans, Republicans, or even Judeo-Christians. They are Collins-Murkowski-McConnell-Graham-Romney-McCain values. They are abhorrent.

This putrid Republican Cabal, all of them, are the various equivalents to the LT Keefer in the exchange below. Their motives against Trump may not have been those of LT Keefer (played by Fred MacMurray) of hatred of all things military and a desire to get rich and marry a movie star, but their motives for betrayal are far more base, ranging from greed and personal animus, to fear of losing power or even blackmail.

It is in this frame that I appreciate the similarity between the movie and the reality of the Republican Congress between 2015 and 2022 in their dealings with President and Ex-President Trump.

I have always enjoyed and appreciated the ending of the movie, when they are celebrating their acquittal of mutiny charges, and their Marine lawyer (brilliantly played by Vince Ferrer) barges in on their celebration. The following dialogue takes place:

LT. GREENWALD: Well, well, well. The officers of the Caine in happy celebration.

LT. MARYK: You're kind of tight.

LT. GREENWALD: I've got a guilty conscience. I thought the wrong man was on trial, so I torpedoed Queeg for you. I had to torpedo him. And I feel sick about it.

LT. MARYK: Take it easy.

LT. GREENWALD: When I was studying law, and Mr Keefer was writing his stories, and Willie was tearing up the playing fields of Princeton, who was standing guard over this country of ours? Not us. we knew you couldn't make any money in the service. Who did the dirty work for us? Queeg did, and a lot of other guys. Tough guys who didn't crack up like Queeg.

LT. MARYK: Queeg endangered the lives of the men.

LT. GREENWALD: (said fiercely and venomously) He didn't endanger any lives. You did. A fine bunch of officers.

LT. MARYK: You said yourself he cracked.

LT. GREENWALD: That's a very pretty point. I left out one detail in court. It wouldn't have helped our case. At one point, Queeg came to you for help, and you turned him down.

LT. MARYK: Yes, we did.

LT. GREENWALD: He wasn't worthy of your loyalty. So you turned on him. You made up songs about him. If you'd been loyal to Queeg, do you think all this would have come up? I'm asking you, Steve. Would it have been necessary to take over?

LT. MARYK: It probably wouldn't have been necessary. If that's true, we were guilty.

LT. GREENWALD: You're learning. You don't work with the captain because of his hairstyle, but because he's got the job, or you're no good. The case is over. You're all safe. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Now we come to the man who should have stood trial. The Shakespeare whose testimony nearly sunk us all. Tell them, Keefer.

LT. KEEFER: You're telling it better.

LT. GREENWALD: You should read his testimony. He never even heard of Queeg.

LT. MARYK: Let's forget it.

LT. GREENWALD: Queeg was sick. But you're real healthy. You didn't have one tenth the guts he had.

LT. KEEFER: Except I never fooled myself.

LT. GREENWALD: I want to drink a toast to you. You always hated the Navy. Then you thought up this idea. You managed to keep your skirts nice and clean even in the court martial. Maryk will be remembered as a mutineer...you'll publish your novel, make a million bucks, marry a movie star, and live with your conscience. If you have any. Here's to the real author of "The Caine Mutiny". Here's to you. (throws drink in LT Keefer's face) I'll be outside. I'm drunker than you are, so it'll be a fair fight.

40 posted on 11/28/2022 8:49:40 AM PST by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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VDH can be a real lunk head. This is one of those times.


44 posted on 11/28/2022 10:34:58 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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