Posted on 11/26/2022 2:58:05 PM PST by george76
cyclotic wrote: “Correct, you are outnumbered by those of us who know that the vax kills.”
As Mark Twain is reported to have said: “It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So”.
T.B. Yoits wrote: “Once again, these people are not “anti-vaccine”; they’ve gotten all their vaccines. They’re anti-experimental injections. It’s not a vaccine regardless of what the CDC changed their definition to.”
No, they are anti-vaxxers repeating the same arguments deployed against all vaccines from the early days of smallpox till now. And, no, it isn’t experiemental, it’s been fully approved. And, yes, it is a vaccine regardless of what the ring leaders of the anti-vaccine cult conspiracy claim.
A letter from Dr. Angus Dalgleish, Professor of Oncology at St George's University of London, to Dr. Kamran Abbasi, the Editor in Chief of the BMJ.
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/26/as-an-oncologist-i-am-seeing-people-with-stable-canc
FTA….
…. The link with clots, myocarditis, heart attacks and strokes is now well accepted, as is the link with myelitis and neuropathy. (We predicted these side effects in our June 2020 QRBD article Sorensen et al. 2020, as the blast analysis revealed 79% homologies to human epitopes, especially PF4 and myelin.)
However, there is now another reason to halt all vaccine programmes. As a practising oncologist I am seeing people with stable disease rapidly progress after being forced to have a booster, usually so they can travel.
Even within my own personal contacts I am seeing B cell-based disease after the boosters. They describe being distinctly unwell a few days to weeks after the booster – one developing leukaemia, two work colleagues Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and an old friend who has felt like he has had Long Covid since receiving his booster and who, after getting severe bone pain, has been diagnosed as having multiple metastases from a rare B cell disorder.
I am experienced enough to know that these are not the coincidental anecdotes that many suggest, especially as the same pattern is being seen in Germany, Australia and the USA….
Any 6ft long arterial blood clots found yet?
Give it up, dugwaydeep.
It’s NOT “ anti-vaxxers repeating the same arguments deployed against all vaccines”….
Such a worthless and lame excuse and claim. You need to come up with new material, from your paymasters.
No….it’s more and more people, MAJORITY who’ve had TRADITIONAL/actual vaccines, who are witnessing and discovering the horrid adverse effects of these dangerous, experimental, mNRA gene therapeutic $hots.
FReepers, real doctors, military, all walks of life…are more and more aware of what these $hots are doing to their loved ones, coworkers…and, themselves.
For you to besmirch ANYONE merely warning about, or questioning these shots - after ALL that has/is coming out, about them - tells us you’re nothing but a CDC hack.
Again….give it up. No one is buying what you’re selling.
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Jane Long wrote: “It’s NOT “ anti-vaxxers repeating the same arguments deployed against all vaccines”….”
Oh, but it is. Even a cursory examination of the history of vaccines will prove that these same arguments have been made against vaccines from the beginning of vaccination in the late 1700’ when the small pox vaccination began.
For example, today the anti-vaxxers are claiming that the covid vaccines will change your DNA. In the late 1700’s, the anti-vaxxers claimed the small pox vaccine would turn you into a cow. Today, the anti-vaxxers claim the vaccine contains various poisons. Then they claimed the vaccines contained bat feces. Same arguments then and now.
Your attempt to smear FReepers with your lame ‘cursory examination of history’ is yet another FAIL, for you, dugwaydeep.
Defending these horrid $hots is reprehensible.
Trying to attach/compare them to trad vaccines, is even worse. Your association attempts are sickening.
Again...give it up. No one’s buying what you’re selling.
Jane Long wrote: “Your attempt to smear FReepers with your lame ‘cursory examination of history’ is yet another FAIL, for you, dugwaydeep.”
You must be afraid to examine how anti-vaxxers have responded to every vaccine in history.
Jane Long wrote: “Trying to attach/compare them to trad vaccines, is even worse. Your association attempts are sickening.”
I’m not comparing vaccines, I’m comparing the reactions/responses of the anti-vaxxers. It is the response of the anti-vaxxers to life saving vaccines is what is sickening.
Jane Long wrote: “Again...give it up. No one’s buying what you’re selling.”
Only the anti-vaxxers.
Doubt it.
I'm not sure I understand the gist of this comment.
You make it sound like "anti-vaxxers" are some Methuselah-like people who brought "a life-long aversion to each and every past vaccine in history."
Don't you think that the people who are opposed to the reporting on and mandating of these so-called "novel" mRNA vaccines are a unique generation of people who are opposed to this - and only this - vaccine that has been forced on people with minimal testing and obfuscated documentation?
"Novel" is not my word, it's the word used by our own CDC. But if it is truly novel, then how can you compare people who have doubts about it to past vaccine responses in history?
-PJ
Political Junkie Too wrote: “Don’t you think that the people who are opposed to the reporting on and mandating of these so-called “novel” mRNA vaccines are a unique generation of people who are opposed to this - and only this - vaccine that has been forced on people with minimal testing and obfuscated documentation?”
No. The fact that they are making the same/simlar arguments against these vaccines as were made against almost every vaccine in history means that this is not against this specific vaccine but is an argument against all vaccines.
And, no, I’m not saying those that oppose these vaccines ae some Methuselah-like people. I’m saying they’re using the same arguments that have been used against vaccines since the beginning of vaccination.
Don't you think that the willingness to ignore federal informed consent laws and force people to take the novel emergency-use vaccine or lose their jobs was a factor not present in any of the past historical vaccines?
-PJ
Political Junkie Too wrote: “How many of the vaccines discussed in your article were mandated on the public via an emergency use authorization that overrides informed consent?”
EUA was not in place prior to 2001 so that is irrelevant.
Political Junkie Too wrote: “Don’t you think that the willingness to ignore federal informed consent laws and force people to take the novel emergency-use vaccine or lose their jobs was a factor not present in any of the past historical vaccines?”
No, I don’t think that. Federal informed consent laws were followed. The issue is that those who did not want to take the vaccines used informed consent as a shield to hid behind.
Besides, those same individuals still oppose the vaccines even though they have been fully approved which proves that their opposition was not based upon EUA.
It has long been established that vaccines may be mandated in certain instances. Most states employment at will which means the employer can discharge the employee for almost any reason including vaccination.
If Pureblood sounds too Nazi, which point I can see, use another with the same meaning. Cleanblood might work. Unpolluted blood is too cumbersome.
Which was modified by the Great Ronald Reagan to “It isn’t so much that liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.”
-PJ
Political Junkie Too wrote: “Informed consent is not consent when it is coerced.”
USSC has ruled that madating vaccines is allowed under certain circumstances.
It's the EUA vaccines that require informed consent, and SCOTUS has not overturned that. Mandating the use of an EUA drug is coercion.
-PJ
Political Junkie Too wrote: “There is a difference between mandating proven vaccines and mandating experimental vaccines that are only available via emergency use authorization.”
Your point fails because the covid vaccines are now fully approved. And, don’t try the Comirnaty isn’t available because Cominraty and the pfizerbiotec are identical and interchageable.
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