Zelinsky stole billions of our taxpayer dollars and is lying about it, asking for more money.
Link below meme:
Posted on 11/12/2022 8:16:01 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
That’s nice then. So for all they know, and assuming they weren’t making it up when they were warning of a Ukrainian false flag, all Ukraine was going to do was the exact same thing they did.
See my point?
Russian warnings of impending big action by Ukraine tends to signpost what their own forces are about to do, far more than they signpost what Ukraine is about to do.
Those people reading the actual news watched those events unfold and have had a pretty good picture of what is happening in Ukraine for these 9 months.
The people depending on Russian propaganda are always having to readjust as they learn what really happened in the previous weeks or months while they thought something else was going on.
I think the bottom line is that both sides are pumping out propaganda and you cannot accept either without critical thought.
Yes and have a pleasant weekend. You have the Putin-Russia supporters figured out
“Some men just want to watch the world burn”...... Never discount nihilism and maliciousness for Freepers posting here.
“… Having been the principal engineer in charge of a hydroelectric dam and having had to be part of a number of FERC safety inspections, I can say, the use of explosive on top of or near a dam, compromises the integrity of the reservoir until proven otherwise in my mind.…”
***********************************************************
“Until proven otherwise” would certainly be the appropriate precaution to take. As an engineer (and likely a very good one if you were the principal engineer in charge at a hydroelectric dam) you’ll understand that the Russian engineers (or ‘sappers’ in my possibly out-of-date military parlance) would have used carefully calculated shape charges of appropriate sizes, placed at specific critical spots in the bridges structure to cut or pulverize/weaken the structures to destroy the targeted spans. And those spans would have been dropped in such a way that reconstruction would be difficult and possibly impossible while under Russian fire control.
They also would have tried to do it so as to minimize the possibility of damage to the dam itself. BUT… you never know. 🙀🙀🙀
My point was that keeping up with what is happening means pretty much just reading or watching the major Western media, the sources that get posted here.
We don’t know the details some of us would like but we can track the war pretty accurately, something the pro-Russian crowd is helpless at as they keep following the Russian propaganda.
It is false to think this is just he said/she said and just choosing one set of propaganda or another based on where your heart lies.
To know what is going on is mostly just a matter of watching the usual news and media sources posted here, it is the pro-Russia sources that are constantly putting out fake news that doesn’t turn out to be the truth.
“See my point?
Russian warnings of impending big action by Ukraine tends to signpost what their own forces are about to do, far more than they signpost what Ukraine is about to do.”
Thank you for your comments. Totally agree.
The dam was built in 1956 on the Dnipro river as part of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/12/01/64464751-11419067-image-a-62_1668215581581.jpg
—> here, it is the pro-Russia sources that are constantly putting out fake news that doesn’t turn out to be the truth.
Three words:
Ghost of Kiev
That is a person determined to live in ignorance, that meaningless little tale of no importance from the early days of the invasion, that no serious person paid attention to should not loom so large in your mind, whether one pilot or some pilots shot down several enemy jets back in February or March or whatever never was significant and is not significant now.
What matters is the war itself, the advances, the retreats, the counterattacks, cities, towns, lands retaken, and battles lost, the pro-Russian people have been using media that feed their fantasies and wishes while the others here have been seeing what amounts to news that accurately reflects the progression of the war.
Go back and read past threads from the war about all the predictions and descriptions of what was going to happen or was happening, which were then followed by excuses and explanations and redirections of the pro-Russia propagandists, and then compare them to what really happened and who had the accurate take on things.
Last time the US had control of the dam and fresh water supply for Crimea they shut it off entirely.
Currently, Crimea has about 2.2 million people, but once the pumps are shut down, it can only support around 700,000 in the southern and eastern portions - the north will revert to salt marsh.
Typo was supposed to be UA not US.
Russia is retreating. That’s an undeniable fact.
In other news....
“Go back and read past threads from the war about all the predictions and descriptions of what was going to happen or was happening, which were then followed by excuses and explanations and redirections of the pro-Russia propagandists, and then compare them to what really happened and who had the accurate take on things.”
Totally agree. To your point, pro-Putin rarely offer a specific point of view. Their contribution is to serve as a distraction from discussion of post.
PUTIN LIES
“Agent of chaos: How to read Putin’s lies, U-turns and retreats
By Jamie Dettmer
November 12, 2022
There are always reasons to doubt Russia is playing it straight. For years, Russian President Vladimir Putin has bundled U-turns and lies together, making it hard to distinguish between evasion and fiction, and weaponizing the toxic mix to blackmail, divide and bewilder his foes.
In recent days, Russia has pulled out of the Black Sea grain deal, then gone back into it, and issued bloodcurdling threats of nuclear attack before reversing course to endorse the language of non-proliferation. This week, Putin ordered his forces to retreat from Kherson only weeks after declaring that the city would-be part of Russia “forever.”
How should the world interpret Putin’s wildly contradictory statements, actions and signals? And when it comes to the use of nuclear weapons, does Russia’s most recent rejection provide any reassurance at all?
“For Russia, inconsistency is an integral part of its foreign policy strategy, particularly under Putin,” noted Fiona Hill, a former official at the U.S. National Security Council. Hill was commenting back in 2013, a year before Russia illegally annexed Crimea after disavowing what it called the “little green men” occupying and blockading Simferopol International Airport and military bases on the Ukrainian peninsula.
In January and February, less than two weeks before intense rocket fire rained down on Kharkiv, and Kyiv’s airports were blasted by pre-dawn waves of cruise missiles, the Kremlin and its top officials waved away any suggestions that Putin intended to invade and conquer Ukraine.
The troop buildup along Ukraine’s eastern and northern borders were part of normal military exercises, they said. Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova labeled as “absurd” accusations that Russia nurtured any aggressive plans. “We learn from U.S. newspapers that we will attack Ukraine,” Zakharova mocked. Her boss, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, insisted “there won’t be a war,” assuring all and sundry Russia didn’t want one.
Was this a brazen lie aimed to deceive and maintain an element of surprise or a genuine policy reversal? It’s hard to tell — and that may be the intention. Or it may just be the West’s failure to understand how Russian policy is made, say some seasoned Putin-watchers. They argue Western governments struggle to comprehend the abrupt U-turns and too often can’t differentiate between such policy reversals and purposeful deception.
“I think he makes some of this up as he goes along, some is out of desperation, but he also looks for openings in the West,” said David Kramer, who was an assistant secretary of state in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush. The result is — whatever the motivations for the changes in direction — everyone wonders what Putin going to do.
Maybe Winston Churchill’s definition of Russia as “a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma” has never been truer since Britain’s wartime leader struggled to parse Joe Stalin.
Western policymakers, who must shape strategies, don’t have the luxury of just throwing up their hands and lumping together all the inconsistencies, lies and about-turns as part of a deliberate Kremlin policy. They might miss something important and revealing if they did.
“Overall, Putin thinks where there is chaos, there is opportunity, so confusion and deception is all part of his ‘spy training,’” said Orysia Lutsevych, research fellow at Britain’s Chatham House.
Even so, there are different reasons for shifts and inconsistencies, she warned. “In some cases, Putin is testing the limits of the possible, as with the grain deal, and if the opposing side shows force and determination, he does a U-turn.”
But she thinks Putin’s about-turn ordering a partial mobilization of reservists in September after insisting there wouldn’t be one “was a domestic deception operation; they were secretly mobilizing for a long time, and he made it public at the moment it was expedient.”
The White House, apparently, does not want to take too many chances. According to recent reports, U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan held talks with senior Kremlin aides with the aim of reducing the risk that the Ukraine war could escalate into a nuclear conflict.
According to Emily Ferris, an analyst at the Royal United Services Institute, a British defense and security think tank, Putin’s thinly-veiled nuclear threats over the past few weeks were a way “of escalating to test the waters and see what the response would be.”
He has recently dialed back the threats, claiming that he “had never talked about using nuclear weapons,” and that a nuclear strike on Ukraine would make neither political nor military sense.
Ferris and other Putin watchers think the backtracking this time was a result of pressure from Beijing. “Given the concerns from China, Putin likely noted the limits of that rhetoric and has now moved on from it and they’ve now said quite clearly they want to avoid any kind of nuclear conflict, so it did reveal some of the influence China has to help deescalate here,” she said.
Ferris said the decision to invade Ukraine was probably made at the last minute, which would be “quite in keeping with Putin’s tendency to put off big decisions.”
And when it comes to operational matters there’s an underlying “general incompetence and inefficiency among security establishment in Russia which shouldn’t be understated,” she said. “Putin sometimes is kept out of the loop of the details,” forcing him to intervene subsequently, she added.
Andrei Illarionov, a former senior policy adviser to Putin and now an opponent, thinks there is less logic than meets the eye when it comes to sudden policy changes. He said: “It looks like he has become quite nervous because if he’s not losing the war, he is definitely not winning either.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/kherson-vladimir-putin-ukraine-russia-war/
Zelinsky stole billions of our taxpayer dollars and is lying about it, asking for more money.
Link below meme:
Jerusalem Post: DAM SUFFERS MAJOR DAMAGE!!!!
Reality: A bridge was blown up
https://twitter.com/GiveEmHellHorns/status/1591654414397366272
.
.
.
‘Explosion Rips Khakovka Dam Bridge Apart When Russia Withdraws’
https://odysee.com/@truthteller:3/nvctr2sutupe:f
kekw
I still believe that Russia blew the gas pipes in the Baltic. A new piece of information I got from reading comments at a Youtube video, says that the area across from Kherson that the Russians have now moved to would be flooded if anyone blew up the dam itself. So I doubt the Russians really tried to blow up the dam and drown themselves. Ukreaine probably will be able to fix the bridge section taken out relatively quickly.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.