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Pro- and anti-UFO factions in government? It wouldn’t be the first time
The Hill ^ | MARIK VON RENNENKAMPFF

Posted on 11/08/2022 3:28:44 AM PST by RoosterRedux

Shortly before the release of the second government report on unidentified flying objects (UFOs) in as many years, dueling narratives emerged in the media. A New York Times article poured cold water on theories of alien visitation and the extraordinary technology alluded to in a 2021 report on “unidentified aerial phenomena” (UAP).

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A Daily Mail article, in contrast, struck a remarkably different tone.

Among several eyebrow-raising quotes, one source sharply criticized their Office of the Director of National Intelligence colleagues, stating, “They don’t want to talk about [UAP], because they really, really don’t know what the hell they are.” The Daily Mail’s sources disclosed several key details about the report prior to its release, including that the U.S. government cannot explain “more than 150” UFO encounters reported over the past year.

In short, competing factions appear to be vying for control of the UAP narrative. If this is indeed the case, history is repeating itself.

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Ultimately, history cannot be allowed to repeat itself. The analysts now facing intense pressure for answers must not return to the decades-long practice of force-fitting simplistic, unscientific explanations onto highly credible UFO reports.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: UFO's
KEYWORDS: fringe; marikvonrennenkampff; ohsomysteriouso; thehill; theshill; uap; ufo; ufos
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1 posted on 11/08/2022 3:28:44 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
Back in the 60's one man knew.

2 posted on 11/08/2022 3:36:12 AM PST by Waverunner
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To: All
There was an article posted here the other day that some skeptical Freepers jumped on as proof of how the military was, at last, coming clean about its use of the UFO subject as a screen for a campaign of disinformation.

Of course, anything is possible and what they suggested (disinformation) is, at this point, as valid as the ultraterrestrial/extraterrestrial theme.

That said, I suggest that this article proposes a more enlightened take on what we hear coming from the Pentagon.

Former DOD and intelligence community officers have long spoken of an intense tug-of-war between various factions. What we are seeing seems more likely to be evidence of that.

3 posted on 11/08/2022 3:41:04 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

I’ve written this before, but here we go again. Having been part of a project that originated a lot of UFO reports I can attest that the government’s reaction every time was to say NOTHING. I assure you this was gamed out and a denial or a cover story gives away information. Saying nothing was the best approach. So Congress spends millions of dollars, even having people who know the truth testify to a lie. Any investigation is a waste of everyone’s time.


4 posted on 11/08/2022 3:41:19 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Waverunner
The Invaders on youtube
5 posted on 11/08/2022 3:51:46 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Aliens are demons.


6 posted on 11/08/2022 3:52:43 AM PST by exPBRrat (.)
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To: Gen.Blather
Having been part of a project that originated a lot of UFO reports

What was the purpose of that project?

7 posted on 11/08/2022 3:53:52 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: exPBRrat

Much of what we hear about them from people who have been abducted is certainly consistent with Biblical descriptions of demons and/or evil spirits.


8 posted on 11/08/2022 3:58:57 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux; Gen.Blather

He could tell you, but then he’d have to kill you.


9 posted on 11/08/2022 4:47:43 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: RoosterRedux; All

There is a great book to be written over the classic pentagon wars where one faction battles another, some times for decades, literally. The great classic from the past is the army air defense civil war between the gun and missile factions, then greatest of all the size counts or does it war within the USAF tactical air community. Some of this stuff is like Montagues versus Capulets; it goes on so long the factions really forget what it was originally all about. Ego driven, the fight becomes the thing not what it is about. An USAF officer working on his PhD in history, observed, after completing a tour on Air Staff; ‘I am beginning to understand what the ‘Wars of Religion’ in 16th century France were really about, not confessional differences at all’.


10 posted on 11/08/2022 4:51:05 AM PST by robowombat
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To: exPBRrat

Aliens are demons.

By that logic, everything not of terrestrial origin is a “demon”. So in the billions of other worlds, in the billions of other galaxies in our Universe, all of creation is evil, except for this one rather unremarkable planet. What are the chances.


11 posted on 11/08/2022 5:00:47 AM PST by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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To: FreedomPoster
Heheh. Maybe he could tell us in vague terms.

For example, something like "it was a defense project that was sometimes mistakenly identified as a UFO" or "it was a government project that used the UFO's as a distraction/cover for what was actually going on" or, even, "reports of misidentified UFOs were utilized to send messages to our undercover operatives embedded somewhere remote."

12 posted on 11/08/2022 5:03:32 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Flick Lives
By that logic, everything not of terrestrial origin is a “demon”

That's an assumption based on a reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

13 posted on 11/08/2022 5:06:03 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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That’s an assumption based on a reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

False.

It’s looking at was was stated logically and breaking down the absurdity and ignorance of what was stated.

The statement was, “Aliens are demons”.

Aliens, by definition are non-terrestrial. Therefore anything non-terrestrial in origin is a demon. And non-terrestrial covers lifeforms everywhere in the universe which is not Terran.


14 posted on 11/08/2022 5:15:35 AM PST by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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To: exPBRrat

Liberals/Democrats are demons. Aliens are just people of a different race.


15 posted on 11/08/2022 5:45:22 AM PST by GingisK
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To: RoosterRedux

The “aliens are demons” is a baseless and superstitious reaction, also based in no facts whatsoever.


16 posted on 11/08/2022 5:46:55 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Flick Lives; exPBRrat
You are making a series of assumptions (to the extreme) based on what you thought Freeper exPBRrat meant.

I took what he meant by his use of the word "alien" to mean "grays." That's what people who have been abducted and/or have otherwise come into contact with in the last 70 years of UFO experience.

That's an assumption on my part and, of course, I might be incorrect. exPBRrat can perhaps clarify what he meant.

But jumping to an assumption that he meant anything and everything that may come from someplace other than earth appears to be a stretch (ad absurdum) to me given that, in UFO parlance, "alien" is the term frequently used to describe those "gray" beings who abduct people from their cars and bedrooms.

17 posted on 11/08/2022 5:53:17 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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Yeah, but are there pro-Mick Bolton and pro-Michael Schenker factions?


18 posted on 11/08/2022 5:57:48 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: RoosterRedux

Dave Paulides’ Missing 411 The UFO Connection release date is Dec. 12.


19 posted on 11/08/2022 6:10:10 AM PST by waterhill (Resistrain)
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To: GingisK
First of all, little of this entire UFO lore is based on facts. So we can dispense with the "not based in facts" argument.

Secondly, my comment was NOT that these beings ARE demons but that descriptions of them are consistent with Biblical descriptions of demons and evil spirits.

I personally have no idea what we are dealing with...whether something real and tangible or perhaps even mass hallucinations that have been part of human life since ancient times.

As to the demon or evil spirit comparison, the descriptions of the grays by many people following the UFO phenomenon do seem consistent with Biblical descriptions of evil spirits/demons.

Even Whitley Strieber, in his first encounter with them said (I paraphrase), "they obliterated my very personality and my sense of reality, they had to be demons."

As to your claim of superstition, there is certainly some merit for that, particularly if one starts from the POV that religion itself is called a superstition.

What we know of the grays (and whoever they take orders from) is that they take people against their will (starting as children), perform experiments on them against their will, take sperm and eggs, convey to them a world view that can best be described as consistent with "New Age" religion, and, again to cite Whitley Strieber (and others), have a goal of co-inhabiting our bodies with us so that they can share of experiences of living on this planet.

That last paragraph is where people draw their "demon" comparisons.

20 posted on 11/08/2022 6:19:20 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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