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To: canuck_conservative

The war the US is involved in was not started by Russia. We started an unprovoked proxy war on them. Other than in Hillary’s Russia, Russia, Russia fantasies Russia never attacked us or NATO. Where in the NATO Charter is this proxy war sanctioned? What treaty obligation requires our waging this proxy war? Why, then, are we risking WWIII over Ukraine? If it’s because you want to be world policeman and stand up to evil, why are you ignoring all of the other evil doers? The Chinese persecution of the Uyghurs is much more compelling of action than protecting the big guy’s piggy bank. Also, if we stumble into WWIII, the Chinese have less mega tonnage throw weight than the Russians. Who knows, maybe one of my grandchildren might survive. We have no business being in Ukraine unless it is back to the stale old neocon world policeman rigmarole.


17 posted on 11/05/2022 5:54:48 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

Independent Ukraine
The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991.
(About 84 percent of eligible voters turned out for the referendum, and about 90 percent of them endorsed independence.)
[When Ukrainians voted for independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, all of its 24 “oblasts,” or regions – including Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea – supported Ukraine independence.
The minority of ethnic Russians were included as Ukrainian citizens in an independent state voted for independence. The ethnic Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine’s east did not automatically support the separatists or want to be part of Russia.

The exact point is the minority ethically Russian or Russian speakers other ethnic minorities in Crimea & Donbass region were living peacefully For most of the first two decades after Ukraine independence.

In other words, being an ethnic Russian or a Russian speaker does not indicate that one sees its self as part of the Russian World. There has been an increase in sentiment of a strong, unified Ukrainian identity since 1991. Most Ukrainians see their future as a sovereign country that is part of Europe. Of course, this directly contradicts Putin’s goals. Putin attempts to invoke the concept of the “Russian World” or “Russkiy Mir.”

iNSTEAD, PUTIN has created a “Transnistrian” policy pattern of frozen conflicts in Moldova (Transnistria region), Georgia (Abkhazia and South Ossetia), and now in Ukraine annexed Crimean peninsula and the Donbas.

Putin uses this geopolitical tactical pattern of created separatist conflicts to create corruption and criminality as ‘Trojan horses’ to block progress in reform-minded periphery countries. These CONFLICTS created by Russia is part of Putin’s imperialistic plan to regain Russia’s LOST EMPIRE.

Of course, Putin wants to fully separate occupied parts of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts from Ukraine and recognize its Donbas puppet republics just like Georgia’s Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

If Russia withdraws its troops from any occupied territory, these territories would DISAPPEAR for a later Russian “geopolitical project”.


22 posted on 11/05/2022 6:33:25 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion, )
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