[RoosterRedux]

True. But the negotiations must involve a broad spectrum of interests including Europe and the U.S. since NATO is an issue and since Ukraine is being armed by others.

If that has occurred, I have missed it.

[KC_Conspirator]

There have been proposals, even going back to stop this thing from starting. I am one of those critical of our irresponsible efforts in the matter for ignoring every last one of them. We ARE NATO and Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO. We dont have to check with anyone (nor do other members) on negotiating peace. We have gone from “I support Ukraine” to “Regime Change” in less than a year. Shows me that people in our government dont know WTF they are doing.