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I can't believe this needs to be said, but Ukraine is not in NATO. It is a highly corrupt country. It is not a "democracy."
Becker News ^ | Oct 11 2022 | Kyle Becker; Fmr.Assoc.Producer/Writer, FoxNews

Posted on 10/23/2022 9:09:28 AM PDT by NeverCheney

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To: Jan_Sobieski

They don’t want to ve Russian. Not one of these puppet administrations has any electoral mandate and the referendum results are faked.

Pushilin, his mum, and naybe 5000 collaborators, rigged that result. If even a third of the Donbas public wanted secession let alone annexation I’ll eat my hat. Funny how tgey didn’t hold a referendum BEFORE 60% of the population had fled.


161 posted on 10/23/2022 3:03:04 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: citizen

Me too. Heh.


162 posted on 10/23/2022 3:09:13 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Cronos

Did you read the Tahliavini report? Georgia invaded Osetia and killed Russian troops in the 2008. It was actually reported by the media until August 8 when the amnesia took place once Russia retaliated and it turned into ‘unprovoked sggression’.


163 posted on 10/23/2022 4:40:28 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Have you read it in your house in St. Petersburg?
Here are some salient points of the TaGliavini report


the very damaging (for Russia) context of what happened before August 7 and what happened when Russian troops entered South Ossetia on August 8, threw out the Georgians and then marched on Gori. Dozens of pages set out in detail Russia’s multiple violations of international law before, during and after the conflict.

....the Russian so-called “passportisation” policy, meaning the mass conferral of Russian citizenship and consequently passports to persons living in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, where a vast majority of the population are now carrying such Russian passports. While Russian citizenship had been conferred in individual cases already at an earlier point in time, the new Russian Law on Citizenship which entered into effect in the year 2002 regulated in its articles 13 and 14 admittance to Russian citizenship in a simplified procedure and thus opened broader avenues soon to be exploited by thousands of new applicants from South Ossetia and Abkhazia

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....Already in spring 2008, a critical worsening of the situation in the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict zone could be observed. One of the sources of tension was the intensification of air activities over the zone of conflict, including flights over the ceasefire line both by jet fighters and by unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). A number of Georgian UAVs were reportedly shot down by Abkhaz and Russian forces. In April 2008, the Russian-staffed CIS PKF was reinforced by additional troops and in late May 2008, a Russian military railway unit was sent to Abkhazia to rehabilitate the local railway, allegedly for humanitarian purposes, in spite of Georgian protests.

....The Georgian allegations of a Russian invasion were supported, inter alia, by claims of illegal entry into South Ossetia of a large number of Russian troops and armour, prior to the commencement of the Georgian operation.


164 posted on 10/23/2022 9:11:12 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Jan_Sobieski

They have spoken in 1991 and clearly said they wanted independence.

The sham referenda in September 2022 were in parts of Donetsk and after opposition was chased away


165 posted on 10/23/2022 9:12:58 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Its anti-Russian nature doesn’t cancel the fact that it disproves the main talking point that Russia has started the war. The rest is meaningless.


166 posted on 10/23/2022 9:13:46 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

It’s not anti Russian to point out that you Russians invade your non-NATO neighbours.

It’s not anti-Russian to point out that your method of war is targeting civilians.


167 posted on 10/24/2022 3:33:56 AM PDT by Cronos
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