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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Conservatism and liberalism are ideologies, because they mean something. If I asked every conservative what the word means, I would get a largely unified answer with only a little bit of variance. Same with liberalism. They are ideologies. An ideology is simply another way to say what you believe the best way for society to function.

Fascism and socialism and communism are all just subsets of socialism. They all came out of the Austrian school of economics at the same time. They are competing left-wing ideologies fighting to determine the best way for government to control society.

Do not buy into the idea that fascism is right-wing tyranny. It is not. You have right-wing (individualism) and left-wing (statism) everything political is a continuum between those two points. The only way that fascism can be right-wing is in relation to other ideologies, of which only communism is more left-wing. So, anybody who says that fascism is right-wing, they are telling you that they are communist because it is right-wing to them and not in an absolute sense.

There are two types of libertarians, the ones who want you to be free to live your life on your terms and the fascists who use libertarianism to show that it cannot work and the only thing that can work is some level of government control. The latter ones see libertarianism as a means to cause chaos and pain so people cry out for government. They are not real libertarians. As I said, they use the libertarian arguements to hurt people, so those people become supporters of the government. They are not interested in letting you live your life freely as long as they get to do the same.

Real libertarians don’t use their freedom to hurt other people. They just want to live their lives and they let you live your life. The fascists that use freedom to drive the arguement for strong government are not libertarians, regardless of what they say. They are fundamentally oligarchs. They want strong government to control and they use the so-called freedoms to destroy people to make the argument that strong government is the only real option for societal sustainability.

National-libertarianism works. It was what the Founders wanted. Within the country, a very light touch by government. But towards the world, the federal government would not hesitate to project power.

You have to understand that there are real-libertarians and then there are those that claim to be, but really want a socialist government and they use the libertarian arguments to the extreme to drive the debate their way.


65 posted on 10/13/2022 6:19:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Some men want to see the world burn.at It is they that want you to buy an electric car.)
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To: Jonty30
With regard to conservatism, I will defer to Russell Kirk:

Conservatism is not an Ideology

Also libertarianism:

Libertarians: the Chirping Sectaries

Also, a reasonable take on fascism:

Fascism: An In-Depth Explanation

68 posted on 10/13/2022 7:45:31 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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