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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Every system of man, in order for it to work, needs moderation. You cannot have conservativism, libertarianism, liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, Republicanism, Democratism, Anarchy, or any of the other “isms” so pure, where it is to point of absurdity, and expect it to work.

They are all meant to function with limits.

One thing you do not understand about the pure libertarianist is that most of them are fascists. They aren’t believers in personal freedom. They use freedom to grind you under their boot so that you will call out for strong government to protect you.

It’s why Hitler had the Brown Shirts. To cause so much violence, in the name of freedom, that people called out for strong government to take over to protect them and that’s when Hitler walked up the middle and offered to provide strong government to protect the people.

It’s a psy-ops. Why do you think that Big Tech is using the freedom culture of the internet to censor conservatives to the point where conservatives have no voice?

They want to show that real freedom cannot be made to work because arseholes will use that freedom will use that freedom to hurt people, so Big Tech drives that point home by using their power of freedom to hurt conservatives.

Big Tech wants regulations, that they happen to be the ones that work with the government to write it, so they protect their economic advantage permanently while, at the same time, supposedly allowing the little people a free voice with some limitations.

That’s how the socialists and fascists have always operated. “Oh you want freedom, well fine.” They then grab you, in the name of freedom, and pile drive your skull into the pavement. “How do you like that freedom? Freedom means I can grab you as often as I want to drive your head into the pavement.”

The more times they do that, the more convinced you become of the virtues of strong government to take away unconditional freedom and give you to you freedom that they control.

Do you have a better understanding now of the agenda?


60 posted on 10/13/2022 5:35:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Some men want to see the world burn.at It is they that want you to buy an electric car.)
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To: Jonty30
Conservatism and liberalism are both moderate political systems because neither is an ideology. They are both pragmatic sets of principles that often work together and sometimes work at cross-purposes. Conservatism, having a better understanding of human nature and a better prioritization of principles, tends to create better nations. Liberalism creates worse, yet still functioning, nations.

All the other political positions you called out are ideologies and will fail as they require humans to fit into inhumane schemes.

With regard to excess freedom being used to eliminate freedom:

In most every other language there is only one word for 'freedom' and 'liberty'. In French, for example, the word for freedom is liberte. However, in America we often mean different things when we talk about freedom and liberty.

Liberty, when it is distinguished from freedom, is often described as a higher form of freedom. The freedom to do what we ought to do, rather than the freedom to do whatever we can. Liberty is often used in a religious context, some will say that a person is not entirely free if he is enslaved by sin, and so in order for there to be liberty a nation must put in place laws to discourage and/or criminalize the most egregious sins.

Libertarians would strongly disagree. They would say that people should be free to do whatever they can so long as they don't violate the NAP. It is up to each individual to be the best they can be.

Conservatives, on the other hand, recognize that humans are fallen creatures and the activities of some reprobates may impact other citizens; that too much freedom can lead to less liberty overall.

I'm not up on the exact details of the rise of the Nazis, but I don't think it was primarily about creating chaos and then claiming to be the antidote to that chaos. There was already a lot of chaos in Germany due to the extreme economic and social punishments inflicted by the Treaty of Versailles.

The worst that can be said about the libertarians is that they can end up being useful idiots as they lobby for open borders and unrestrained capital. Their intentions are not to participate in some secret conspiracy to help a cabal of fascists into power. Their intentions are to create a free society, that unfortunately is too free and atomistic for the average human and leads to chaos.

This chaos doesn't always lead to fascism. It could lead to communism, democratic socialism, welfare state capitalism, or something else.

It could even lead to a monarchy with a state church that would act to focus the efforts of its citizens toward living holy and productive lives. That is, a nation with less freedom but greater liberty.

63 posted on 10/13/2022 6:04:12 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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