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NYU’s firing of Professor Maitland Jones Jr. should frighten every American
New York Post ^ | October 5, 2022 | Dr. Stanley Goldfarb

Posted on 10/07/2022 2:42:29 PM PDT by Twotone

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To: The people have spoken

> Didn’t he have tenure? <

It’s very odd. The guy was “a star teacher at Princeton” (says the article). Then he leaves Princeton to take a year-by-year contract job at New York University. Yes, very odd.


21 posted on 10/07/2022 2:55:40 PM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Huskrrrr

My freshman roommate had a goal of being 4.0 in pre-med. He made it. It was great, like having a single room, never saw him.


22 posted on 10/07/2022 2:57:04 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim ( )
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To: monkeyshine

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23 posted on 10/07/2022 2:58:54 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Twotone

Organic Chemistry was not so hard.
P-Chem was a bugger!


24 posted on 10/07/2022 2:59:25 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Or a proctologist.


25 posted on 10/07/2022 3:00:37 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Twotone

Organic chemistry first semester is actually very easy, second semester also easy for those prepared (similar to Calculus II). Physical chemistry was a lot harder and more like filtering courses in physics and engineering.


26 posted on 10/07/2022 3:02:38 PM PDT by LambSlave
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To: MarMema

Me= Pharmacy Graduate. Chem, physics, and math got rid of those in pre-pharm that would not succeed in pharmacy school. It was necessary and it worked. Those that made it into pharmacy school had a very high rate of graduation. The less skilled or less motivated were gone.


27 posted on 10/07/2022 3:03:07 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter-deckhand-roughneck-oil field trash- drilling fluid tech-geologist-pilot- pharmacist)
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To: The people have spoken

No, he did not.

I looked into this story, as I used to teach at a university.

Like so many who do so nowadays, I was a contract hire. They called it “soft money”, and the contract was renewed based on a grant we had from the FedGov and State. So I had to sign up every time the grant was approved (every 5-6 years). Tenure wasn’t offered for these positions. In fairness to the University, the pay I received as part of the contract was MUCH higher. I did this for 20 years, so even met the state teacher’s retirement fund, and I put in cash to that every month. Actually, they lost the grants when I had been working for them for 18 years, but I still had two years left. I wasn’t paid except when taught a specific classes that had been on the schedule. I spent the last year working for someone else, but still had vested in the retirement so I could still retire when I hit what would have been my 20-year mark. A LOT of colleges and universities do this. You get paid more than faculty on some contracts, but you could lose your job, too.

Anyway, long story short, Dr. Jones was on a one-year contract. He wasn’t fired, rather they refused to offer him another contract.

That was the BS part, really. He fulfilled all other requirements. On that alone, he might have cause for a suit based on age discrimination.


28 posted on 10/07/2022 3:04:00 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Kids these days need to spend more time watching RetroTV!


29 posted on 10/07/2022 3:04:22 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Twotone

It’s most probable that this guy’s students were a lazy and whiny bunch who didn’t put in the effort to pass organic chemisty (I took a year of organic, so I’m quite familiar with the drill).

On the other hand, I knew an engineering professor who would brag that at least 50% of his students would fail his upper-level engineering classes. It was like he was proud of it.

In that particular case, I think the problem was with the engineering professor, and not with the students. So you never know.


30 posted on 10/07/2022 3:04:51 PM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Paladin2; Tijeras_Slim

Well like I always said: if you can change a radiator hose, you can do bypass surgery.


31 posted on 10/07/2022 3:05:18 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Twotone
New York University fired Maitland Jones Jr. because his organic chemistry course was “too hard.”

Updating my checklist for finding a good doctor ......

  1. Many years of medical experience.
  2. High surgery success rate.
  3. Great reputation in his specialty.
  4. Top residency and fellowship.
  5. Did not get undergraduate science degree from NYU.

All I can say is: Snowflakes, preferred pronouns, "my truth," campus safe spaces, .........

32 posted on 10/07/2022 3:05:38 PM PDT by gw-ington (My Preferred Pronouns: senile, sleepy, puppet, laughing, hyena, stolen, election.)
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To: The people have spoken

“Didn’t he have tenure?”

I expect he had tenure when he was on the faculty at Princeton, where he spent the bulk of his career.

Maybe a decade back, he retired from Princeton, and took a position at NYU - I expect that position was non-tenure track, which would not be unusual for a faculty member past retirement age taking a position that required only classroom teaching (and not the intensive research program expected of the tenured faculty at schools at the level of Princeton and NYU).

So if Jones at NYU was a member of the “teaching faculty” rather than the tenure-track research faculty, he would be hired on a series of one-year contracts, or at least contracts of two or three years. If they paid him for his current year’s contract, all they’d have to do is fill someone else in for the rest of the academic year, and then just not offer him a contract for the coming year (and beyond).

Still a totally bad move on the part of NYU.


33 posted on 10/07/2022 3:05:41 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Twotone

Not enough morons are able to get a “college diploma” because college is too hard. Gotta make it easier like the banana republic universities. Affirmative action and “diversity” is the greatest threat to our national security. Maggots and morons with diplomas are running around all over the place trying to find jobs. Unfortunately they all have diplomas with piss pour intelligence and work ethics.


34 posted on 10/07/2022 3:06:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Let's Go Brandon! FJB.)
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To: rightwingcrazy
“Organic chemistry is a very difficult subject.” When I took it, the professor insisted it didn’t require a lot of memorization. But it seemed to me mostly about rote memorization. Reagents, temperatures, pressures, catalysts. Flash cards were my friends.

Prior to an organic test I would lay in bed mentally drawing the structures and reactions. If unable to I would get out of bed and look it up, otherwise I could not sleep.

35 posted on 10/07/2022 3:06:29 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter-deckhand-roughneck-oil field trash- drilling fluid tech-geologist-pilot- pharmacist)
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To: Twotone

Isn’t this the school that pays all the costs for medical school? Well, if they couldn’t get into medical school, they could always switch gears and become environmental scientists or palm readers.


36 posted on 10/07/2022 3:07:52 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: Leaning Right

He is 84 years old and taught at Princeton for 43 years — from 1964 to 2007. Then went to teach at NYU. Maybe he wanted a change of scenery.


37 posted on 10/07/2022 3:08:45 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." — M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Yes, P-Chem was a bear for me, too.


38 posted on 10/07/2022 3:09:02 PM PDT by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: Twotone

“Math is hard!”


39 posted on 10/07/2022 3:10:36 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Twotone

Re: Medical, Pharmacy, Optometry, Podiatry, Dental Schools/ etc.

In my first week we were required to read 300 pages of a dense histology book and we were tested on every paragraph. And....That was only one class! Classes started at 8 a.m. and finished at 5 p.m. It was grueling. All the classes were that intense.

If these students are struggling with organic chemistry as undergrads, they will not have the discipline or intelligence to manage graduate school in the health professions.


40 posted on 10/07/2022 3:11:04 PM PDT by wintertime ( Behind every government school teacher stand armed police.( Real bullets in those guns on the hip!))
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