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The Incentives to Get Workers Back to the Office Aren’t Working. Here’s What Would.
Slate ^ | September 26, 2022 | Alison Green

Posted on 10/06/2022 8:15:53 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

These companies should have fought against the lockdowns and vaccine mandates when they had the chance. But instead, they grabbed their ankles for the government tyrants, and coerced their employees into getting jabbed. They can go get stuffed.


21 posted on 10/06/2022 8:40:38 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: kagnew

“You either come back to the office or you don’t have a job.” That sounds good to me.

That is exactly what Elon Musk said to a group of employees who refused to come back to work several months ago.


22 posted on 10/06/2022 8:41:00 AM PDT by ocrp1982
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To: Dilbert San Diego

True. One job prospect I’m interviewing for definitely needs to be done in the office. Since the place is just down the road from me in Gulf Breeze, I don’t have a problem with “returning to the office” there.


23 posted on 10/06/2022 8:41:01 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m never going back. Lots of others feel the same way.

I’m at the point in my career when I have enough experience and I’m in an area that is in demand and is going to stay in demand. There simply aren’t enough people with the amount of experience the banks want to see. So if one bank tries to insist, I’ll simply say “no” knowing I can and will get hired by another which is willing to meet my minimum pay requirements and willing to allow me to work 100% remote.

The other reason is....why should I spend an hour and a half of my day in a stressful commute, spend the money for gas, spend the money to park, spend the money for lunch/drinks, spend the money for doggy daycare because I can’t leave my lab stuck at home inside and alone for 9 and a half hours at a time.......when I don’t have to?

I’ve calculated the numbers. It saves me roughly $10,000 after tax dollars per year to not commute into the office. Even then, that is paying me nothing for the hour and a half of commuting in heavy traffic.

PLUS
- I can’t do my job any better in a cube farm than I can at home
- I’m away from the leftist authoritarians at HR as well as any boss who wants to micromanage every single thing I do
- I’m away from the constant noise and interruptions at work
- when we have useless meetings on Zoom I can just mute them and do something else unlike at work when I’m stuck there and have to pretend I’m paying attention.

There are all sorts of reasons why working from home is better. I haven’t even mentioned that I can now leave the city and buy a house somewhere else thus getting vastly more value for my money.


24 posted on 10/06/2022 8:41:10 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: kagnew

Well then, bye. I don’t need your job. I’ll get another quite quickly. Good luck finding people with the qualifications and experience you want in my field.


25 posted on 10/06/2022 8:42:06 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’ve worked remote for 15 years now. I’d never go back to an office. And frankly it’s a lot cheaper to have me work from home rather than rent out the office space, office furniture, parking space for me. Everything I do is on the computer and once a week we have a video meeting. It’s not a big deal.


26 posted on 10/06/2022 8:42:16 AM PDT by BBQToadRibs2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Here’s an idea - come back to work or find another job...


27 posted on 10/06/2022 8:42:38 AM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is DIRE! If people don’t come to the office, what are all those useless middle management people going to do??? With no one to boss around, they become much less necessary. If that process continues, pretty soon it will be the useless upper management people with ridiculous salaries that get canned! OH NOES!!!


28 posted on 10/06/2022 8:42:56 AM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is DIRE! If people don’t come to the office, what are all those useless middle management people going to do??? With no one to boss around, they become much less necessary. If that process continues, pretty soon it will be the useless upper management people with ridiculous salaries that get canned! OH NOES!!!


29 posted on 10/06/2022 8:42:57 AM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tell them to report back to the office on Monday or they’re fired. How hard is that? You pay, you say.


30 posted on 10/06/2022 8:44:56 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: kagnew

Good luck with that.

As soon as that starts, there will jobs offering remote work as a lure.

Here in California, ain’t no one going back full time and those companies that mandate in office days aren’t really tracking it.

I have friends who have moved out of state and there is no reason for them to be in the office


31 posted on 10/06/2022 8:46:07 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: bk1000

Yep. Just ask Elon, who told his workers, if you want to work from home, you can pretend to work for somebody else. He apparently has some obvious slackers on his work force.


32 posted on 10/06/2022 8:47:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: bk1000

It is easy to issue orders.

The fun part is the consequences that follow after the orders are issued.


33 posted on 10/06/2022 8:48:27 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: kagnew
We went from a highly industrialized country where people had to be at work to get their job done to a mostly service-based economy.

If companies are OK offshoring some of their work to people working in India or the Philippines, then why are their knickers in a twist when they are just outsourcing their work to Americans working from home?

34 posted on 10/06/2022 8:48:55 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: bk1000

That approach will work......if the people you are employing are easily replaceable and your competitors all adopt the same policy you adopt.

What if your workers are skilled at what they do, are in short supply and others are willing to let them work remotely?

Oh, why then you insist on your terms. The skilled and experienced people you have tell you to shove it and quit. Then you are stuck with younger, less qualified and less experienced people. Then you lose.

Meanwhile, those you ran off get snapped up by your competitors quite quickly.

Some of y’all seem to not understand that employers do not always have the whip hand.


35 posted on 10/06/2022 8:49:00 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I post this same observation on every thread I come across related to RTO/WFH dynamics in the workplace …

Any CEO who has had employees working from home productively for the last 30 months would be a fool to force them back to the office.

Think of all the costs of leasing and operating tens of thousands of square feet of office space. Now, think of how much money the company saves when employees willingly take on all those costs themselves.

Like I said … any CEO who doesn’t see the pragmatic wisdom of this should be fired.

36 posted on 10/06/2022 8:49:52 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is a sore spot with me.
My job can’t be done remotely and When I came down with COVID a year ago I had to burn all of my vacation time and then some. (A few unpaid days as well) However some co-workers could “work” from home and have COVID at the same time so they didn’t lose anything. They kept all their PTO and never received a short paycheck.

Still P/O’d about it.


37 posted on 10/06/2022 8:53:49 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.)
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To: Sicon
These companies should have fought against the lockdowns and vaccine mandates when they had the chance. But instead, they grabbed their ankles for the government tyrants, and coerced their employees into getting jabbed. They can go get stuffed.

If FR had a "Like" button I'd give this one about 1,000 likes.

38 posted on 10/06/2022 8:54:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: FLT-bird

As the article pointed out an order to appear in the office is the equivalent of a big pay cut.

There are very few businesses that can afford to tell all their employees that they are getting a big pay cut and keep their most valued employees around....


39 posted on 10/06/2022 8:54:07 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: rktman

COBRA letter and turn off the company cell phone.


40 posted on 10/06/2022 8:55:43 AM PDT by blackdog ("That's an applause line you useful idiots" )
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