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To: marcusmaximus
If this is true, it means the enemy has an American network-centric battle management system...

Well, it means Ukrainian forces are "secretly" under NATO command and control - which Russia should have anticipated once the war dragged on.

10 posted on 10/04/2022 7:02:48 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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I don’t think the Ukrainians have a network-centric battle management system. They are still using mostly Soviet equipment and that has not been adapted for western battle management systems yet. But if they have been indoctrinated to haul ass and bypass the effects could be about the same to a much more primitive military system.


19 posted on 10/04/2022 7:13:55 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Well, it means Ukrainian forces are "secretly" under NATO command and control - which Russia should have anticipated once the war dragged on.

It doesn't mean that at all. And it would be wildly impractical anyway. It is basic us and Western military doctrine to push decision making down to the lowest levels. This source is talking about having centralized collection and redistribution of information/data, not centralization of small-unit decision-making.

The decisions have to be made by on-scene Ukrainian commanders at the battalion level and below. Trying to make decisions above that level destroys the very decision-making flexibility that has enabled the Ukrainians to be so successful.

The West has given the Ukrainians the tools to be far more effective, but it is the Ukrainians themselves who are actually employing those tools.

22 posted on 10/04/2022 7:18:48 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Well, it means Ukrainian forces are "secretly" under NATO command and control - which Russia should have anticipated once the war dragged on.

Not really, unless you think NATO still has a bunch of Russian and Ukrainian speakers.

It means the Ukrainians have been equipped with better comms (and have developed some of their own) and been trained much better than they were.

There's increasing evidence that the Ukrainians are now using effective combined arms (artillery & armor) attacks at least on the BTG level.

Ukraine was also able to cancel the autumn conscription because they have enough volunteers.

35 posted on 10/04/2022 7:34:58 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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I agree. It’s likely how they are finding the ‘gaps’ and weak spots.


78 posted on 10/04/2022 9:48:44 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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