Posted on 09/15/2022 12:56:44 PM PDT by OneVike
“Again, reputable scientists themselves beikleve the possibility.”
A belief in the possibility. You made a cold flat statement which they do not make.
Well said!
“What is wrong is DECADES of stating, as if fact, that the Big Bang was true.
One should always state when a theory is a theory, and WHY it’s a theory. “
That is BBT! You are the one misstating the facts.
They did call it a theory. They did explain why it is a theory.
What they didn’t do was tie you down, connect your brain to their database and click the download button.
“It’s spoken of as if it’s a proven fact”
If someone includes the word “theory” they concede that it is not fact.
The “climate change” folks omit the word because they are afraid of alternative information and seek political power through their faulty assumptions
Those that didn’t get past 8th grade science believe E=MC^2 does not apply to chemical reactions.
“So does that tell the universe is at least 28 billion years old, give or take a year.”
That post tells me something about you!
Don’t let him get to you. He’s a very sick man; a hate filled pervert who refuses to condemn abortion and even got defensive of some very sick things. There’s a dark soul behind his hateful behavior.
“another example is the “Theory” of evolution”
Friend, why not just accept your debate victory when someone says “theory”?
If that’s your concern, you win the argument by default every time.
It doesn’t mean you are right, but you win the argument as to whether something is factual.
Looking at my bookshelf I see books titled ‘Electromagnetic Theory’, ‘Theoretical Mechanics’, ‘Control Theory’, ‘Optimization Theory’, ‘Automata Theory’, ‘Theory of Semiconductor Devices’, ‘Chaos Theory’ etc. to name a few.
Using your understanding of the definition of theory vs fact. Given that you are using a computer and the Internet are they fact or theory or something else?
Every school I went to insisted they were facts
Including college.
( I gave them all hell about only being theories as I’ve been a Christian since 6th grade )
California
Oregon
Washington
Ymmv.
“Every school I went to insisted they were facts
Including college.”
Which college? What major?
It is not possible to refer to a “theory” as “fact” so anyone who claimed thus is contradicting themselves. Again, you win. They may keep talking, but as soon as the word “theory” is uttered, it cannot also be fact (unless rigorously proven, which is difficult to do)
Excellently said!
My theory is a lot simpler and can never be disproven - God created the universe.
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On the other hand, is it also true that your theory can never be proved?
No. You posted a baseless rant because you are confused about how the world works.
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This personal criticism back and forth reminds me of a humorous comment some Freeper made the other day in response to an insulting remark. He said, paraphrasing. I’m feeling kind of down this morning but were I to see your obituary I’m certain it would cheer me up!
The problem is not usually the evidence, it’s a person’s worldview or presuppositions. You might say we all have the same evidence but can reach different conclusions based on what we believe - our worldview. These scientists are looking at evidence - they are just reaching a conclusion that is based on their naturalistic expectations. It’s hard to examine your own view - but it is possible. Admitting you have one, and thus have a sort of bias pro or con regarding a certain subject is often a start. But usually people are not that honest or maybe perceptive. And some people hate the idea of God and purposely work to oppose that view. Most, but not all scientists hold a naturalistic view of origins. Some believe in a Creator and of course some are not sure. When expected evidence contradicts what scientists actually find then it tends to challenge their worldview. It’s very common for anyone to find a ‘rescuing devise’ which allows them to keep their worldview. Of course, because we’re human, egos can often be on the line regarding who’s smartest, nobody’s fool and all that. In the case of God’s existance and evidence to support or contradict, it it’s easy to see how the battle is, and has been, engaged for all of human history. For me, I’m sticking with a Creator who made it all. When I see the images from the JWST I think of the passage in Psalm 19, “The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handy work…” To me it shows his infinite qualities. It’s evidence that backs up his claims. Others see it as a pretty accident and wonder how it all came about. So, now you know my worldview ;- )
The BBT does not posit a beginning. It posits a point in time after the beginning.
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Reference to “after the beginning” in your second sentence appears to contradict your first sentence since it posits a beginning.
They found him. He lives in Higgs bosons.
They have done that. The Big Bang occurred at a place where there is no coordinates and so no way to describe it.
Newton is my favorite scientist-theologian. He summed it up with the epigram, “Nature’s Laws are God’s Thoughts.”
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