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To: Openurmind

Question: How many times does a police officer have to ask for your name? And how many WARNINGS does the cop have to give you that you will be arrested if you don’t provide your information before he puts the cuffs on? Seriously. This guy was warned at least 5X that he would be arrested. I have little sympathy.


111 posted on 09/16/2022 9:09:22 AM PDT by bort
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To: bort

“How many times does a police officer have to ask for your name?”

In 99% of the cases the officer has no right, probable cause, or evidence to even ask. In this particular case the officer had absolutely no right period. Let alone the fact the accused had absolutely no legal obligation to comply.

Asking for ID immediately presumes guilt. Officer’s discretion does NOT negate Constitutional presumption of innocence or private property rights.

This was pure and simple “I am your master and YOU WILL OBEY”.


112 posted on 09/16/2022 9:23:39 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: bort

Here is the deal... What you and the system needs to understand is that when a public servant enters onto/into private property without a warrant they are legally trespassing without permission from the owner.

LE has absolutely no legal authority to trespass at just personal discretion and/or suspicion.

At that point they have no more legal authority than any Joe blow civilian stranger from off the street. They no longer have any legal authority to ask or command one damned thing let alone conduct an investigation without a warrant.

Do you feel you are legally obligated to answer questions from a total civilian stranger off the street trespassing on your property? There is absolutely no difference here with this interaction and many many like it that happen all the time.


114 posted on 09/16/2022 11:33:33 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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