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What pay? Their parents paid these people to take the girls to be ranch hands. It’s the perfect scam, and it’s been done before. Just say you are running a ranch for troubled teen and parents send their kids sight unseen. No medical, no shrinks, kids are worse when they leave than when they came.

Lawyers are having a field day with these things.

$6000 a month these parents paid.. with those sorts of resources I highly doubt those kids were sent there sight unseen or without thorough checking it out by most who sent their kids there.

I have little doubt that these “troubled youths” which anymore often just means spoiled brats, didn’t like the program.

Was their abuse? Maybe… but I sure wouldn’t assume as you have that parents willing and able to spend $6000 a month to try to help their rebellious children, just shot em off without any research into the place.

I don’t have a problem with the idea of a working ranch, where the kids can work out their addictions and get some self respect.

However, it shouldn’t a hellish experience.

There are “shrinks” (& medical) there:

https://www.trinityteensolutions.com/services/

Ha ha ha. My youngest did all that and more for fun. 6 months on a working horse and cattle ranch. 5ft-1 of pure energy an muscle. Had a blast. Starting with basic farm chores before dawn and breakfast.

No medical, no shrinks, kids are worse when they leave than when they came.

Plenty of medical. Also, a LOT of supervision is paid for and there is a low worker to client ratio. The family I know who had a daughter there had an additional diagnosis of restless leg syndrome in her sleep, which was interfering with her sleep cycles. She retrieved medical treatment for her malady which was discovered only because she was monitored on cameras and by live custodians at night.

Don't trust NBC to give a balanced story. You may not like how they do things, but it is no scam.

It seems like, failing to find some sexual abuse, and ignoring the liberal attacks on traditional values which such camps you attack seek to correct, you engage in a lack of objectivity by posting on some errors which are relatively minor compared with such widespread practices as criminalizing traditional physical discipline of children and promoting gender reassignment from kindergarten up. Where are your posts on that? Let's try to examine primary charges from a critical other side:

Schneider started his troubled teen operation in 1996, a few years after his horse fell on top of him, partially paralyzing him. He started taking in young people to help him raise cattle and keep the ranch afloat, and said on the website that he realized his true calling was helping at-risk youth. It’s become a family business:

For girls who were depressed, drinking, skipping school or fighting with their families, Trinity Teen Solutions claimed to offer a cure.

When state officials found violations at the ranches — such as preventing girls at Trinity Teen Solutions from using the bathroom, forcing them to wet themselves, and Triangle Cross Ranch failing to report violent acts and suicidal and homicidal threats by children

Which provides context for the somewhat bootcamp conditions. It is not easy, and mistakes will be made.

“There is a handful of girls that have made it their life’s mission to blame Trinity for their failures and to cause harm to our reputation through ongoing slander and defamation,” Angie Woodward, founder and director of Trinity Teen Solutions

At least a dozen women reported allegations of abuse at the ranch to the Park County Sheriff’s Office in 2019

While not to be dismissed as not needing investigation, that is all it takes for a onesided major story by liberals who think healthy child rearing includes fostering homosexuality, positive views of liberals its ethos and demonizing conservatives.

If the programs, like Trinity Teen Solutions and Triangle Cross Ranch, don’t take government funding, they are exempt from federal regulations.

Which is a reason behind the one-sided NBC piece, as federal regulations includes fostering such aspects as being LGBTQ and abortion accommodating.

Ellie Lovering said her first moment of terror at Trinity Teen Solutions came during the strip-search...a staff member took pictures of her with a small digital camera to document any scars

Sounds bad, but likely as with juvenile detention centers, is sadly required due to the smuggling of drugs. However, the article suspiciously leaves out the gender of the staff member, thus allowing it to be a male, which of course would be wrong, and thus would surely be mentioned if that was the case.

“From the time we woke up in the morning to the time we went back to sleep, we were always doing work. Always,” said Taybre Conrad, 19, who left the ranch in 2020. “And they were having us do the type of stuff that grown men do.”.. the girls spent most of their time working — six to 10 hours a day, according to former residents, which included all of the cooking and janitorial work, as well as farm labor. They laid irrigation pipes, baled hay, chopped firewood and shoveled manure. The girls also trained and groomed animals for 4-H shows, scrubbed the floors at a church and installed fencing at other ranches, according to interviews and the ongoing lawsuit against the ranch.

Meaning what frontier women had to do, versus spending hours in video games and social media? Which is actually bad, or worse in the long run?

Four child welfare and farm safety experts said carrying out ranch work like that described by the former residents can be dangerous for children.

Such experts likely think gender reassignment therapy is not dangerous for children.

If they stepped out of line, girls were forced to run up and down a small mountain, dodging rattlesnakes, or were given only a can of olives and beans for a meal, according to former residents. Three women said that staff members who accused them of being “stubborn” tied them to a goat with a leash for days at a time.

Dubious, as inferring days at a time with no sleep, while a can of olives and beans for a meal sometimes is a sufficient meal in that small mountain hike, while likely combating obesity - which is very detrimental - is not mentioned.

Days at the ranch were busy, former residents said. There were homeschooling courses and calisthenics. Once a week, the teens had private sessions with staff therapists.

Which mention of something positive about the program must have slipped by the editors.

a horse she was riding became frightened, took off running and threw her off. She said she landed on a barbed wire fence next to cacti and rocks, cutting her arm in several places, creating a large gash on her leg and filling her back with cactus needles. The staff took her to urgent care, she said. “They had them clean my wounds, wrap me and brought me back to the ranch, and then put me right back to work,”

Which is just what life often requires!

Down the road from Trinity Teen Solutions, which serves girls, sits Triangle Cross Ranch, a program for boys..The state has confirmed numerous regulatory violations over several years, finding that the ranch made teens box each other as punishment

How utterly evil!

At both ranches, phone calls with parents were monitored and letters home censored. The teens had no way to contact law enforcement, they said

Meaning they could engage in phone calls with parents but they could not tell them to contact law enforcement? Even a disconnected call at that point would tell parents something is wrong and requires action.

“Any time we wrote in our letters to bring us home, or, like, told the truth, they would rip the letters up in front of us until we rewrote them,” Arhelger said

Which defiantly would be wrong, although Arhelger (

she feared losing all contact with her parents if she complained.

Which actually would be telling parents something is wrong and requires action.

Separately, Arhelger said that she repeatedly complained to staff about pain in her leg, which she had injured before arriving at Trinity Teen Solutions. She said a staff member told her she was “spoiled and never heard the word ‘no’ before,” and staff continued to assign her to lift hay bales.

Too often much the case. However, a "one size fits all" must be avoided.

“These people do not know what they’re doing,” she said. “They may think that what they do is an OK thing, and that they turn out healthy, well-adjusted girls. But I’ll tell you what: When Anna went, she was depressed and she had anxiety, and when she came home, she was terrified of everything. She didn’t trust us. She had nightmares. She had full-blown PTSD.”

While possibly lawyer-hype, it likely does attest to deficiency in judgment in care and discipline. Happened in the military schools as well.

Andrew Scavuzzo, seen here at home in Parker, Colo., in July 2022, said he had to pull dead cows out of ponds and use his mouth to siphon gasoline out of vehicles.

I have done the latter. Sometimes can be needed. You spit out any gas. But smoking weed? That is promoted by the Left.

In late 2020, the state discovered Gerald Schneider made boys come into his house to help him off the toilet and to care for his wife, who has Alzheimer’s, records show.

Good experience, but must be very limited.

At one point, while he was staying at Gerald Schneider’s Montana property, Scavuzzo said two staff members branded his arm in the shape of a cross with a hot piece of metal; he shared photos with NBC News of the bloody injury that he said were taken shortly afterward.

If true, that would surely be wrong.

In 2015, state officials found Triangle Cross Ranch misrepresented its services online, censored mail and cut calls off with parents if the boys complained about their treatment, records show. The state also found that ranch staff misled the agency about its staffing levels during an investigation. ...The state also found that staff members had told the boys not to speak with state officials during inspections, and that the boys had been punished for doing so in the past.

While being wary of state officials is warranted, yet forbidding the kids from speaking with them, and censoring mail and cutting calls off with parents if the boys complained cannot be justified, though a one-sided rant needs to be followed by the other side.

Wyoming licensing officials confirmed 15 years ago that Trinity Teen Solutions limited girls to only two five-minute showers a week, censored their communication to parents, made girls go to the bathroom in a bucket, and required children to perform construction and veterinary work — and said that was fine.

Again, frontier life in the US in the 1800s+

The state found that other complaints, including certain allegations of humiliating punishments and overworking children, were unsubstantiated and determined that no action was needed.

Gerald, Matt and Mark Schneider declined to comment to NBC News.

Lawyer advice, but they should comment if being misrepresented.

Facilities for troubled teens in Indiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Oregon, Ohio and Utah have also been accused of forcing youth to perform manual labor, either as part of the programming or as a punishment.

My parents also required that, thank God. But the liberal government wants complete control, and uses abuses as this to justify it, and your lack of objectivity helps them.

BS, when my mom was 10 years old in 1934, her dad had her behind two mules plowing a field. Every day was chores day, from sun up till sundown.