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To: schurmann
“So one could argue that grubby and uncouth proto-hobbits are not completely out of the realm of possibility.”

Except that Tolkien explicitly said that there were no hobbits mentioned in stories until several thousand years after the time that Amazon covers. But it’s not only that; their entire plot is contradictory to Tolkien’ actual histories. They are reinventing them in a more woke, multicultural, and politically correct context. So it’s not Middle Earth anymore, it’s a bastardization. Would anyone do the same with Shakespeare?
92 posted on 09/04/2022 2:32:41 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“Except that Tolkien explicitly said that there were no hobbits mentioned in stories until several thousand years after the time that Amazon covers...their entire plot is contradictory to Tolkien’ actual histories. They are reinventing them in a more woke, multicultural, and politically correct context...it’s not Middle Earth anymore, it’s a bastardization. Would anyone do the same with Shakespeare?” [Telepathic Intruder, post 92]

You’re quite right, and I concede the point. Also the larger point, that this later “reinvention” is anything more than woke PC propaganda, which of course has no purpose beyond political indoctrination.

We might recall that the author himself quoted either Pippin or Merry in their first conversation with Treebeard, admitting that hobbits always seem to have gotten left out of the old lists. Lack of stories doesn’t equal nonexistence.

But we’re probably wasting our time, expecting any pushback from serious literary fans, academics, or the executors of the Tolkien Literary Estate (or whatever its name is). I’ve never heard of any court judgment in favor of a plaintiff who alleged lack of intellectual honesty, or failure to be true to what’s often called “canon” in various fandoms.

Hasn’t Shakespeare been done to death, in reworks and adaptations? And “modernizations”? I don’t imagine that any defender of a “Shakespearean purity” could clean up the mess now. And no professor of English and/or drama is going to make any such effort today. They’ve “grown” far beyond any such musings.


93 posted on 09/04/2022 5:09:33 PM PDT by schurmann ( )
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