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Death in Navy SEAL Training Exposes a Culture of Brutality, Cheating and Drugs
New York Times ^ | 8/30/22 | Dave Phillipps

Posted on 08/30/2022 6:16:54 AM PDT by Callahan

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That’s the interesting take on this. Did the guys find a way to win? I remember stories after the Gulf War about the use of amphetimines to keep the guys going.

You know the other guys are using.

41 posted on 08/30/2022 4:36:04 PM PDT by ealgeone
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The instructors continue to make the course more difficult and brutal and the attrition rate keeps rising. In his opinion it’s an issue of ego, arrogance and increasingly toxic environment like hazing at fraternities.

I'm not going to begin to pretend that I know what BUD/S is like. But, I have been in military programs where attrition makes it seem 'elite.' The desire for high attrition leads to situations where passing is basically luck.

Add that in with a desire to pass minorities, women and poofters, and you end up not graduating the best of the best.

42 posted on 08/30/2022 4:40:10 PM PDT by TankerKC (Be first with the truth. )
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His French 13th Regiment loved going to Chad to fight and were always wanting to get back to it.


43 posted on 08/30/2022 6:52:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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When you are in training and being tested to see if you can make it in the real world after months of inadequate food, terrible days and losses, and living in heat and humidity (ie-Vietnam), that is definitely not the time to be using drugs to artificially get you past the check marks while you are being evaluated.


44 posted on 08/30/2022 6:58:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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In my Armor Officer Basic class of 107 1st and 2nd Lieutenants, we had five Marines. In those days (1977-78) we had no scramblers on radios and still used code via CEOIs and did not speak in the clear. Our senior Marine who had been an enlisted man in Vietnam seemed confused by Army radio procedures and explained to the instructor, “Sir, we want the enemy to know who we are. We want them to know where we are going. We want them to come and meet us there. And we want them to bring all their friends.” He got a round of applause.


45 posted on 08/30/2022 7:01:19 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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