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To: jimjohn

Good point and thank you for writing and posting this. May I add that Christian believers need to be aware of what the New Testament says regarding obedience to the government. This excerpt if from the New Living translation:

“Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience. Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority. Romans 13:1-7


9 posted on 08/21/2022 11:13:41 AM PDT by rod5591
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To: rod5591

“May I add that Christian believers need to be aware of what the New Testament says regarding obedience to the government.”


What is your point, that we should obey the Deep State since they are the government?


11 posted on 08/21/2022 12:07:36 PM PDT by Ken H (Trump /DeSantis)
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To: rod5591
“Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God

That was true at the time it was written. Those were the days of Kings which derived their authority from God.

Our government does not receive its power directly from God. It receives it power from the people whom God dwells. Our government is most unique and radical institution of government in the history of man. Our rights come from God. We give the government the primary responsibility to defend our God given rights. In turn, the people have control over government.

If you truly believe in God, you will recognize that God dwells within all his believers. In a sense, we are God’s representatives on earth and we have the authority over government. Our government was formed with that in mind.

If you want to identify spiritual and religious threats, then you need only look at the number of nonbelievers that control and inhabit government. That includes citizens that vote. These nonbelievers enable a sinful government. They are not filled with the Holy Spirit. They are the ones that do not listen to God’s authority.

Our nation is going through tribulations because we are in a fundamental battle of beliefs. Many Americans no longer share a core belief in which all other beliefs are derived. That core belief is in God. Government will not change those beliefs. It is the responsibility of each God believing citizen to evangelize through word and deed. That includes fighting against the evils and injustices in government as God’s warriors on earth. Onward Christian Soldiers.

17 posted on 08/21/2022 1:20:51 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA ( Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: rod5591

“Everyone must submit to governing authorities. “

Governors who are not bound by Law have no authority.


19 posted on 08/21/2022 1:49:41 PM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: rod5591

“...obedience to the government...”

Yeah, tell that to the Uyghur’s in China, or the Jews in 1945 Germany, or the Armenian’s in 1912 Turkey, etc. Obedience doesn’t mean enslavement.


20 posted on 08/21/2022 1:51:57 PM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci: You had one job and you failed!)
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To: rod5591

. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
= = =

So, stand up for life in the womb. Do these authorities honor you?

Expose the Porn being fed to kids in school. Do these authorities honor you?

I ask these questions as part of this discussion. If we understand this scripture correctly, all the verses, including this one, will make sense.


22 posted on 08/21/2022 2:05:31 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: rod5591

And yet thousands of Christians were murdered when Rome sacked Jerusalem in 70AD.
They all sat there fighting each other believing that Jesus was going to save them.
Sorry but I don’t submit to anyone who demands I submit.

I was one of the first who said allowing the Gov to demand we shut ourselves in our homes was unconstitutional and more than that WRONG!


23 posted on 08/21/2022 4:31:49 PM PDT by Zathras
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