Posted on 08/12/2022 6:18:24 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
Yes.
I heard that is why they were keeping the body alive once the brain was registered as dead.
I think it is unfortunate, but at least some good might come from this and allow a few people to have a life.
Terry Schiavo was actually there and conscious, the medical team was court ordered to stop taking care of her by her husband and the courts. Her other family got stays, but in the end, lost. Husband had medical power of attorney. She did respond to people and knew who was there. She was not just a tomato as people called her then.
Anne Heche is a different case, people in fires like her often may not die from burns but their lungs are so damaged from smoke and heat its amatter of time before they expire. This kind of damage makes it an oxygen problem.
Now why they wouldn’t try hyperbaric chamber oxygen therapy, I don’t know, it would seem to be a potential way to help get more O2 into her, but they aren’t doing that for her. Instead shes in a medical induced coma, I don’tknow if doing that to her will make her get worse, just don’t know. Not sure if that helps her into the “brain dead” category.
Terry was present, not in a coma, but had someone actively cutting off food and water and murdering her, and actually was therr because that person tried to kill her. Anne isn’t really in the same spot. If anything she killed herself and did a lot fo damage to others in the pro ess.
Depends on if she had internal injuries that damaged her liver, heart, and kidneys. Her lungs were probably burnt from the fire. And they can use tendons, too.
Heche's organs are most likely not suitable for transplant due to prolonged oxygen deprivation. Since her brain did not receive adequate oxygen, her other organs did not either. Her lungs were severely damaged by fire, smoke and other inhaled hazardous materials. Thus, the lungs were not able to successfully exchange and deliver oxygen supply to the rest of the body.
Photos of Ms. Heche being loaded into the ambulance showed soot covering her hair and clothing. Her feet were visibly black and charred.
The paramedics and hospital probably had her on drugs the second she got into the ambulance.
I answered on an earlier thread hypothetical about a person in a car crash and they have them doped up to manage their pain. They still proceed with it harvesting.
Ok on the anniversary of ann’s death, you can relive the life like we do the others on their anniversary.
Are you saying she was euthanized?
Do the brain-dead sit up and look around and reach out toward people when they're placed on gurneys? Because there is overhead video of Anne doing just that. I know Terri Schiavo was brain damaged and she could sit up, move, and react to people and things.
In brain death, the entire brain including the brain stem is dead. You shut off the machine and they quickly die because the lower part of the brain stem that controls breathing and the heart don't work.
In acute head trauma, or in major intercranial hemorrhage from strokes, often the brain swells on day 2 to 5, shutting off all circulation to the brain, so the brain dies...and yes they are indeed dead: Only the machines are there keeping the body alive. I believe this is what is happening here.
But it is morally acceptable to remove the respirator even if the person is not brain dead.
Finally, the Catholic church does not mandate keeping someone on a respirator, because it is acceptable to refuse extraordinary treatment.
We had a relative here in the Philippines on a respirator after a massive stroke for a week. He was not brain dead...But he was 80 years old, and it was obvious he would never wake up, so we had the respirator removed and the family stayed with him until he died the next day, not of euthanasia but of his stroke.
Until recent times, this definition included feeding tubes as optional, but Pope John Paul II recognized that these tubes, which are not painful and do not require expert nursing, were being removed with objective to kill the patient. That is what happened with Schiavo, whose husband was ready to remarry and she was in the way and depleting the family's money in a nursing home.
But I had a patient who could not swallow and refused the feeding tube, mainly because when he was tube fed they kept him isolated in his room and he wanted to go outside his room and recreate at lunch. Alas, he died a few days later of aspiration pneumonia. And the legal case that said this was okay was the Brophy case, a fireman who swore he never wanted to be kept alive on machines. He was comatose from a stroke, and the wife, with the church's approval, had the tube removed.
Now, one word of caution: there is a move in medical ethics to broaden the criteria of brain death from whole brain death to something called higher brain death. There is also a trend to take organs from people who are dying but not brain dead: They let the heart stop, then remove the organs. And there have been cases where brain death was misdiagnosed and woke up, but these cases are rare. these decisions are subtle. Get a good pro life doctor to help you judge such cases.
The link you provided doesn’t mention euthanasia.
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That was Ms. Heche's last gasp and voluntary effort. She lost consciousness shortly thereafter in the ambulance. Very common event in gravely ill, shortly preceding death.
Still praying for a miracle. God can bring anyone back. It is up to the Almighty now and I hope somebody in that family is praying.
That would make sense. I linked a video in the post just above yours where Anne sat up on the gurney as she was being hauled to the ambulance. She sat up, looked around, leaned forward, and reached for either the sheet she was covered with or those pushing the gurney. That wouldn't be brain death, but swelling a day or two later makes more sense of the video.
The explanation in post 29 made more sense of it. Brian swelling as a result of the accident and trauma cutting off oxygen after the fact rather than loss of oxygen in the wreck. And so does yours. A last gasp.
My husband received a heart transplant twelve years ago. He lives an almost completely normal life, except for immunosuppressive drugs, which is easy. When he had the transplant our grandchildren were three, five and seven. Today our grandson left for his second year in college, our granddaughter is a senior in HS and our other a sophomore. We had a going away dinner Monday night for our grandson and had a blast.
I remember when he was being evaluated for his transplant. It was presented this way when we asked some questions. The doc said, there are fatal injury accidents every day and nothing can be done, how wonderful is it that instead of burying perfectly good organs in the ground, God gave us the ability to salvage these organs and save many lives.
It wouldn’t have to be brain swelling. Severe inflammation of the lungs leads to critical pneumonia and O2 levels so low organs (and the brain) are badly damaged or die.
I had a family member who’s upper brain functions were gone due to a stroke, but the hospital staff “weaned” them off the machines that were keeping them alive.
As a result, even though this person had absolutely NO response to stimulus (no response to removing the tracheal intubation, no response to sharp poking, nothing), the body lived on for roughly 10 days.
This person was given an IV drip of nutrients and hydration, but that’s it. We had to fight for that - the hospital didn’t want to give them ANYTHING - and this was AFTER they “weened” them off the machines keeping them alive.
In my opinion, this “weening” denied this family member a faster, more humane, natural death.
I was right in the middle of all this, and it wasn’t fun at all. It showed me first-hand how in the modern medical system, death can be more of a drawn-out process than an event.
The was 3 days ago,
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She’s not only merely dead, she’s really most sincerely dead?
Glass cutters are bidding on her nipples right now
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